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[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 207 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

All this brain hallucinating reality stuff pisses me off because people use it as a springboard to say that reality is subjective or something, as if a blood clot in my leg that I'm just not aware of can't REALLY kill me. There is a uniform and self-consistent reality which we all have only limited perceptual awareness of. The great value of science is to give us greater access to that reality, not to fabricate wishy-washy arguments for how that reality doesn't exist ~~or doesn't have meaning~~ (see comment below for clarification here)

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 62 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The data of reality is consistent. How that data is interpreted by the brain may not be. Like the color red might not look the same to you as it does to me despite it being the same wavelength for both of us. We'll never know since it's impossible to describe a color and we can't see the world with the other's brain.

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

Given that color theory works the same for anyone that isn't some variety of colorblind, I'd argue we probably see colors the same way or very very close to the same.

[-] erev@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

the logic might be the same, the perception may not

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

The logic is based on perception, though. Colors either clash or go together because of how we percieve them and which colors go with which is pretty consistent between cultures and time periods.

[-] BussyCat@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

But not everyone agrees on which colors go together and which clash

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, that wasn't a good example since taste is weird. A better example would be that most people would agree that the pink background on this sprite sheet is almost painful to look at while other, more luminous, elements are fine. If our perception significantly varies, then simple mid-luminance color blocks shouldn't have consistent effects from person to person. Parts of that yellow gradient on the right should cause more strain to someone you know than the magic pink field if perception is strongly variable.

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[-] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

to say that reality is subjective or something, as if a blood clot in my leg that I'm just not aware of can't REALLY kill me.

It's not that reality isn't subjective it's that acting as if it is subjective isn't useful for our everyday experience. So we act as if it is objective. But acting as if reality is objective so you can live your life does not mean reality is objective, and personally, I think being absolutely certain that it is objective leads to shit like "Jesus loves you and died for your sins" - not to great science.

There is a uniform and self-consistent reality

The great value of science is to give us greater access to that reality

I'm really not trying to be shitty or anything about this, but science is increasingly showing us something considerably more complicated than that. Science absolutely gives us greater understanding of classical reality which is useful to us because airplanes fly. However, like it or not, science also is telling us that reality is a strange miasma of superpositions and that we actively participate in the creation of reality by simply existing/observing. At the very least, your outlook that it "is... uniform and self-consistent" does not appear to represent what is truly happening, it just represents what you think is happening, which is, ultimately, the point of the OPs meme. Everything you think you know is being filtered through your experience of it and whether this represents some objective reality or not, it represents it enough for you to live your life and feel like it is objective and consistent. But that isn't necessarily so. As wild as it sounds, there may be an infinite number of branching realities and you are walking down only one, and considering it as "objective reality." Nevermind that "reality" is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes - there is no way to determine that what you think you experience as "reality" is anything more than the qualia of a brain in a jar. This is Descartes 101.

Anyway, for anyone interested in this stuff, there's a great video from Sean Carrol about that outlines the uncomfortable unanswered questions in quantum physics and their implications about reality here.

Edit to add: on somewhat of a tangent, there's a fascinating book regarding your brain and reality I really love called Free Will

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago

I was wondering who would bring up quantum physics 🥲

I don't subscriber to any interpretations of quantum physics that require consciousness for observation, so to me any insights that this field may offer still don't support that reality is subjective. Reality could be only locally real but still objective and consistent. And it sure seems that it is, in at least 99.999...% of all situations, especially situations that actually matter to us. Just my understanding, not a quantum physicist lol

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[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Woah there, where are you getting this idea that any of this has meaning from? Reality being coherent doesn't imply any kind of meaning. I can't even think of a theoretical way to determine if we're here for a reason (other than cause and effect) or if we're just here.

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah sorry, horrible choice of words. I am a nihilist in fact. I was using meaning in the very dull sense, like how a red light has the "meaning" to bring your car to a halt. And similarly a blood clot in my leg means that I am at increased risk of death, the rising of the sun means that the air will heat up (even if I'm blind), cooking garlic means the air will be filled with scent molecules (even if I can't smell), etc.

I am so accustomed to only talking with IRLs who know what I mean by meaning that I forget what a loaded word it is.

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago

Putting this as a separate comment because its unrelated. I think theoretically the problem is that the notion of "purpose" or "reason" is extremely fraught with psychological quirks. We say that flowers are colorful for the "purpose" of attracting pollinators, but it might be more accurate to say they just coincidentally ended up that way. But a more ironclad claim of purpose would be something like "I made this fruit salad for myself for the purpose of eating something healthy and sweet". Here we are hard pressed to deny that the salad has a real purpose. In fact, anything that has real purpose seems to have been designed by a conscious entity. Only a conscious entity can imbue its creations with purpose, when we look at how we actually use the term in that sense. This also handily shows that purpose is not a physical quality, but purely a genealogical quality. A purposeful object doesn't need to bear any physical markers that show that it came from a conscious entity - it is purposeful either way. Since "purpose" aka "reason for being" is now a matter of nothing more than being created by a conscious entity with some purpose in the mind of the conscious entity, it seems like the theoretical way to determine if humans have a reason for being, or if the universe has a reason for being, could ONLY be to determine if these things were created by a conscious entity.

Obviously religion comes to mind, but outside of that unfalsifiable realm, theoretically we could learn for instance that humans were actually designed by aliens to be fun little pets to watch, like Tamagotchi. If we found that out then our purpose would factually be "to be entertaining".

So I actually think the theoretical path of establishing the existence of a reason or purpose is quite clear! Its just that the path clearly leads to the conclusion that there isn't one.

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[-] observes_depths@aussie.zone 16 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly. This post actually reinforces why I don't want to alter my reality. That little window of interpretation is absolutely remarkable, it's all we have to anchor us to the outside world and I will never give that up. Not that I'm dead against occasional hallucinogenics, but our perception is an amazing thing and I feel bad for people who don't appreciate it.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

IMO the term "hallucinogenic" undersells what psychedelics do in some ways. There is an interpretative layer of abstraction that naturally builds up between you and what you are perceiving. This is useful because it lets you make assumptions about and mostly ignore objects that you know are not necessary to pay attention to, and not be overwhelmed by the experience of being actively aware of all their details, but it also prevents us from considering and experiencing what is behind that layer of preconception.

Obviously there's also a lot of other things our brains do that is interpretive or corrective, but it's really remarkable to be able to see the world without that one in particular, which is one of the more striking effects of those drugs, and it happens on doses lower than the ones that produce especially vivid hallucinations.

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago

As a great scientist once said:

"There's no scientific consensus that life is important" - Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth

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[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 101 points 2 weeks ago

It's just more efficient for my brain to only render what I'm looking at.

[-] chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 51 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Dismissing: lacks object permanence.

Embracing: optimizes render load.

Have we considered I don't have ADHD, just triple A blockbuster brain engine??

[-] aketawi@quokk.au 10 points 2 weeks ago

god learned from steam frame

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[-] ascend@lemmy.radio 65 points 2 weeks ago

The one time I tried shrooms I died, then I saw everything I needed for what I was going through and woke up the next day after all the nightmares feeling at peace with life and had a new perspective. Kind of like a speed run midlife crisis. I wouldn't do it again but I'm glad I did

[-] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Im a big fan of doing small amounts, but sometimes it definitely gets you feeling like

[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

I assume you mean ego death and not literal death

[-] Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 weeks ago

You have to type louder for them to get your message in the spirit world.

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I ASSUME YOU MEAN EGO DEATH AND NOT LITERAL DEATH

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[-] yuri@pawb.social 13 points 2 weeks ago

bad trips can be really really enlightening. i got the cliché “i am so tiny and the universe is so big” and it changed the way i think about things on a fundamental level.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 points 2 weeks ago

Last time I did shrooms I saw geometric cats on everything.

Can’t wait for next season.

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[-] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 63 points 2 weeks ago
[-] fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vip 7 points 2 weeks ago

but please do do this to me

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 54 points 2 weeks ago
[-] CubitOom@infosec.pub 42 points 2 weeks ago

amanita muscaria will give you the shits for hours. There are better psychedelics.

[-] BanMe@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

There's a valuable lesson here, and it's to avoid using comic strips to identify the mushrooms you should eat to trip.

[-] GandalftheBlack@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago

Instead, rely on the comments

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[-] Banana@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 weeks ago

He's got the mushroom in his hand as well as a pipe and a tab, I think they're just referring to psychs in general, but you're right, maybe they should've put more of a brown mushroom

[-] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Amanita muscaria is NOT psychedelic though, it's a deliriant. It can cause hallucinations, but it is not serotonin based, and psychedelics work on serotonin receptors.

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[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The podcast "You Made It Weird," with Pete Holmes is great. He has a lot of smart and funny people on, and the pattern is usually to start with "What's going on with you? What are you working on? What makes you laugh?" for the first two thirds of a given episode, and then the last third is stuff like "Do you believe there is a purpose to life? Have you ever seen a ghost? Have you ever tried psychedelics?" Pete is clearly on his own spiritual journey and has a lot of heavy stuff to talk about and share, and he makes for a great conversation.

Two highlights were when Reggie Watts talked about going on a trip in a bathroom where he traveled to a parallel universe and met with a sentient planet, and when Judd Apatow talked about how ayahuasca brought him into a meeting with the embodiment of his childhood self.

I don't necessarily want to get into psychedelics, but it's a very interesting topic of conversation, if the person is smart enough to ask and answer intelligent questions.

[-] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is why when I want to cross a busy road I just pretend reality isn’t real, close my eyes, and cross the road. Can’t get hit by cars if I don’t accept that they are there.

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[-] ieGod@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 weeks ago

What an apt comic. The first time I tried mushrooms I came to the conclusion we are essentially peeking through the keyhole of a door trying to understand an environment we can't even be sure is limited to the 'other side'.

[-] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Hm, that's odd. I just laughed a lot. 🤷

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[-] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago

I really object to this idea that hallucinogens unlock some kind of higher plane of existence that can’t be experienced by people who don’t do these drugs.

If it were true that people who did hallucinogens did gain some kind of additional knowledge why is it they aren’t achieving things at some obviously higher rate?

If you want to use recreational or therapeutic drugs be my guest, just don’t come back telling me you’ve uncovered the secrets to the universe…

[-] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

What in the world..

They literally are tho. lol. What a wild take

"You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years were rrreal fucking high on drugs. The Beatles were so fucking high they let Ringo sing a few tunes."

Bill Hicks

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

It's more "I want to continue to hallucinate in the super useful way that all humans normally do, and not fuck up my brain so that useful hallucination of reality gets knocked out of whack."

A series of still images, if the frame rate is fast enough, appears to us as smooth motion. Our eye can only focus on a tiny spot at any given time, but our brain fills in the rest of the visual field as if it's high res based on the last time we glanced somewhere, some extrapolation and interpolation, etc. We're somehow able to pull the sound of someone's voice out of a crowd of noises and ignore all the irrelevant sounds to hear what someone's saying. And then these sounds get somehow directly translated to words and concepts in our head. And if you're looking at someone in the face as they're talking, you can read emotions there, instead of just seeing a wrinkly slab of meat with some wet spheres near the top and some disgusting wet holes below. That's all "hallucination" in some way. But, it's all incredibly useful.

I know that 99% of the time if someone takes hallucinogens they come back to reality just fine. Sometimes the trip even makes them feel better. But, is it really worth messing with your brain's delicate and super useful hallucination of the world around you?

[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

not really 99%, more 99.9%

the only time when you as a person should never take psychadelics is when you have a pychoaffective disorder (or a history of it in your family) as it can trigger psychosis

other dangers come from heavy abuse of the substances, nothing you can do accidentally (psychadelics are non-addictive chemically speaking, but we humans can abuse anything so there's been cases of it) or taking the substances when you're depressed or anxious (can turn into a bad trip, cure you of those in a day, or just be a normal trip, it's a gamble)

99.9% of the time people who take psychadelics come back to normal after the effects wear off. even bad trips can be beneficial. the normal becomes broader, and many lessons are learnt, the useful hallucinations gain more meaning. i often compare psychadelic trips to having a mirror put in front of yourself and being forced to look at it for hours, now - do you like what you see?

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[-] bobo@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

Right, and a single marijuana cigarette will drive you to a murderous rape rampage of white women (or whatever else American bullshit propaganda you want to peddle today)...

I know that 99% of the time if someone takes hallucinogens they come back to reality just fine.

"I know that 99% of the time someone masturbates they don't go blind" - that's the level of nonsense you're spouting...

Just turn on your brain for a second. Psychedelics have been legal/decriminalised in some countries for years or decades. You're saying 1 in a 100 trips leaves you insane. Try to make sense of those two statements and support it with literally any shred of data from the last couple of decades.

All of the traditional psychedelics are significantly healthier for your brain than having a few drinks. One can literally regrow neurons, the other kills them.

Sometimes the trip even makes them feel better. But, is it really worth messing with your brain's delicate and super useful hallucination of the world around you?

And sometimes it can cure serious psychological conditions, autoimmune disease, allergies, and a host of other issues.

There's a very good reason an increasing number of places are legalising them for therapeutic use.

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[-] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

It's wild how conservative and square the community is here.

Thanks for posting the comic! It's neat

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[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If everything we experience is a hallucination, then we should use psychology to engineer a just and useful hallucination. For example, we should hallucinate trans people as closer to their preferred gender presentation.

We also need to consider the fact that rich people have spent so much money on controlling the media, they've definitely discovered how to use this power for evil. Our perceptual reality has already been manipulated by billionaires.

[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

discovered how to use this power for evil

They already have. Is called "propaganda", or "the narrative".

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[-] sexy_peach@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago

I really didn't like the personality changes I saw in others after taking LSD, that's why I have no interest in psychedelics.

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[-] cotus@midwest.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

ITT: people who have never taken psychs talking shit and people who have being like chill. Who do you think knows more? The folks swallowing D.A.R.E. propaganda like water, or the open minded people who actually experienced it??

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