American Christians are just weird fascists a lot of the time that don’t actually follow christianity beyond telling gay people they’re going to hell. They’re fine with this.
Is being gay one of those things that people think is in the bible based on the vibe but in fact the bible doesn't express an opinion?
Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
You just gotta use a different position than you do with women.
Christianity is supposed to be the new testament, like what Jesus preached. he was against all the old ways that are in the old testament except the ten commandments. he went so far to offend the old ways, they had him killed.
Romans 1:26-27 is not better.
Standing doggystyle is the gay road to heaven!
Nope, this one is in the bible (old testament), roughly in the same place where these are also listed as sins:
Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.
Do not practice divination or seek omens.
Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.
And my favorite to point out to them:
When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
Also the same book prohibits eating shrimps, and many other things that they will quickly jump to say it doesn't apply anymore, because most christians do a pick and choose of things in the bible they follow and things they don't. There's a game where you and a group of friends follow everything on the bible, the last one jailed wins.
My favorite are the ones who say Genesis isn't literal because being a YEC is a step too far even for them, but then the whole point of Jesus gets awkward real fast when sin isn't real.
Ezekiel 20 also says hello:
24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.
Hi, Episcopal priest here, who just so happened to do his master's thesis on the topic of reconciling same-sex marriage with traditional Christian understandings of marriage. So to give you the quick answer: no, "being gay" is not in the Bible. If you want the long answer, here's a link to a blog post I wrote about this: https://catecheticconverter.com/same-sex-marriage-and-the-church
Is there an error in that link? I can't get through for some reason
It absolutely states that being gay is a grave sin and even calls for death for them in the old testament. However the message of Jesus in the new testament is one of radical forgiveness and non-judgement. Jesus is not afraid of those who commit sexual sins as seen by one of his companions being a prostitute. Jesus says to love everyone, forgive everyone and only hate the sin itself, but not the sinner. Judging a person is also considered a grave sin, something many modern christians have forgotten.
Therefore there is absolutely a theological basis for allowing homosexuals to attend church, following Jesus example of himself hanging out with prostitutes, another kind of sexual sinner. And since Jesus tells you to love everyone and judge no one there is no reason to hate or shun a gay person. This also applies to other sins. If you rob a bank you can still go to church as well, with the same argument.
However if you talk to a priest or pastor of a liberal LGBTQ affirming church and ask them if gays are allowed in the church they will shout a resounding yes. But if you press them on the question of if homosexual intercourse is a sin or not they will probably get uncomfortable and may give another answer. It's a very hard biblical reality to deny.
However since you could in theory be gay and have a same sex partner and just simply not have sex with them you could give gay couples the benefit of the doubt. This is the basis for allowing gay marriage. However gay marriage stands on much more shakier grounds than simply allowing LGBTQs in the church, since marriage in the bible is explicitly stated as being between a man and a woman. Some prists/pastors however take a different route to justifying it and that involves reasoning that since God created all humans and some humans are gay, those people most have been created gay by god himself, and everything that God creates is good, therefore gays are good. This argument requires some reasoning outside the Bible but is used by many. Conservatives can attack such a stance saying it directly goes against direct bible quotes while also claiming one is not born gay but you turn gay by your own decision or others influence. Gayness would in this view be a free will sin rather than a god creates attribute.
I'm writing this comment as a non Christian who supports LGBTQ btw. Just trying to explain what I know about the discussion.
Oh no the bible says kill em all. It’s one of the main bullet points.
The problem is that it says it in the same general section that it talks about how to treat your slaves and things, so it's really kind of ridiculous to cherry pick this one thing as something we should uphold today while ignoring everything else.
It doesn’t.
Tell that to the people of Sodom.
Context matters. Turns out when you tell stories you kinda have to read the whole thing rather than just snippets.
I want to know what gomorrahy is.
It sure sounds like a word you can say with your mouth full though.
Since there's not really that many Christians on Lemmy, I took the liberty of showing my former college roommate that image. He is a devout Catholic and also a two-time Trump voter, though I will note he has since soured on Trump since his re-election (for these and other reasons). His reaction was that the image was insulting to the Catholic religion and blasphemous.
Last year, I had also asked his opinion on Trump posting an AI-generated image of himself as pope when Pope Francis died, and he said that post was "not cool". He said that to imply one could simply become pope without first rising through the ranks of the Catholic Church, especially someone as unpious as Trump, was disrespectful to those who dedicate their careers to the clerical service, and he found the image offensive.
and then he voted for him a 3rd time
He was too young to vote in 2016. He voted for Trump in 2020 and 2024. I asked him a week or so ago whether he plans to vote Republican in the upcoming election. He says he plans to throw his ballot into the bin.
Jesus flipped nicer tables than this.
It makes me angry, but not more than any of the other terrible, dehumanizing, antidemocratic stuff he's done. To me, this is just more proof of what I've always known: maybe he's not the Antichrist, but he sure is an antichrist.
Jesus flipped nicer tables than this.

You just blew my mind.
The table flipping he would do in so many churches. Catholic and protestand AND MEGA CHURCHES! To name one catholic: he would trash the cologne cathedral. And get a tank to run down the mega churches in USA.
he sure is an antichrist
He is anti-Christ.
Unquestionably.
This kind of stuff now regularly spilling across the pond feels so completely absurd that l have a hard time grasping it at all for total lack of sane real world reference.
Sometimes feels like the US drifted into some alternate dimension based on some Vonnegut novel or so, and the space-time-ripples caused by this are mangling the rest of the world.
Edit:
Also, as someone raised as a Catholic l feel mocked and want to slap him in the face even harder.
Yeah you genuinely COULD NOT make something more satirically patriotic that this. This is absolutely comical levels of pandering. It could not personify this quote any better "Fascism will come to to American in an American flag and topped with a cross"
My first reaction after seeing the picture was "is he blessing Epstein?"
Bringing him back from the dead. With Orban gone, he's craving the familiar nonconsensual touch of a mentor.
Christians of Lemmy!
cough
foot shuffle
Textbook blasphemy.
That he's anti Christ was clear from the "grab em by the pussy" talk. Also his marriage, infidelity record would've disqualified him for any clear eyed christian.
But sadly (depressingly) I know people who call themselves christian but are utterly blinded by anti abortion rhetoric, that they forget that living immigrant children are also lives worth saving. They cannot see Mexican or Guatemalan kids as creations of God. Or in my European case Syrian or African.
He isnt christian. None of them are. A christian wouldnt do any of his. Helping, forgiving, ascesism. Those are christian values. So many US-Christians, especially the mega churches are litterly sinning more than the borgia pope.
If i may throw around lables: There thou see the anti-christ, skin orange, body corrupting visually and a tounge 10 minutes long!
One doesnt even have to look at classic sinns. Pedophilia and rape, alone. Straight to hell. No purgatory for you. For none of them! No matter how many indulgence letters they would buy!
Its blasphemy.
I feel offended, disgusted, and entirely unsurprised. While this is probably the most blatant example of him blaspheming, it's very far from the first. Even on top of that, him and all the other nationalists that work with him have been dragging God's name through the mud for ages, really from long before Trump started politics. I can't say for sure if they believe God exists or not, but they sure aren't following him.
For context: I'm not American, but I'm very much Christian.
It's blasphemy and playing right into the assumption that he's the Antichrist.
Also, what is that Evangelion looking thing above his head?
TLDR: give a pair of sneakers to an oyster, it won't make it Usain Bolt.
Disclaimer: I'm not a US christian.
Christ was poor, he stood for the poorest, not the richest, he had some brain working, he was oppressed for his ideas, and he died for them... while at the same time forgiving his murderers.
No matter the amount of AI trickery (and wasted energy), Trump looks as much as Christ as he looks like a decent human being (hint: not at all). Imho, he would have a lot more chance to try to pass as Taylor Swift...
What is going on here?

AI Warfare
I think those two jets are kissing, though.
Christians/Catholics were presented with decades of evidence of systematic child rape and protection by the churches, crimes commited by literally thousands of priests... and did nothing. No mass exodus from the faith, no reform, no nothing. Now you think a little graven imagery/idolatry is going to cause a serious stir? Plleeaaasseeeee.....
He is mad, and this is just another sign that he belongs in the loony bin.
Is he inserting nightmares directly into Jon Stewart's sleeping face?
I think Trump is definitely a Christ-like figure when I remember that Jesus was executed by the state for leading a rogue political movement.
Does that fighter jet have claws 😂
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