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[-] Betch@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

All he wanted was to not have to pay for employees to do moderation. I love Gave, but let's not pretend this was altruistic.

[-] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 hours ago

Holy based.

I thought this was going to be about the blatant Nazi posting, both in the community forums and and in asset flip/game spam in the store. Apparently the lawyer in question was bringing up accepting more censorship in the lead up to more pornographic content becoming available on Steam.

I don't typically care for Gabe, but yeah, I would have said the same thing. Probably not for the same reason tbf. But even if you don't have any political concerns outside of making money for your yacht collection... Hate speech isn't currently costing Valve money. Porn bans are directly effecting a market they have invested into. Why would you pay a legal expert to be so spineless?

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

outside of making money for your yacht collection

Interesting tidbit I just learned: apparently he's really into marine biology and most of those are research vessels

[-] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 45 points 1 day ago

Well, at the risk of repeating the obvious, what do you pay a legal expert for? As in, what did you hire them to do?

If you hired them to do research on current laws and regulations to see what you must abide by / can get away with, then you've paid them for information, even if its information you don't want to hear.

If you hired them to represent your interests, to argue your case in court for you as their client, then yeah you can't really have a lawyer that's wishy washy on your position. As stupid as they sound, that's what Trump's DOJ is doing at great risk to their own careers. Which is why more and more of them are resigning.

[-] greencoil@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Historically, Valve has hired lawyers to weasle out of legal responsibilities around the world, to limited success. They repeatedly tried to get out of legally mandated refunds for digital goods in several western nations, and now people think that Valve is the good guys for eventually capitulating like it was their idea in the first place.

I cannot imagine a scenario where Gabe Newell would hire a lawyer just to have him say "comply with the new laws instead of fighting back".

EDIT: Just cause I felt like it made for more present context, Valves legal team clearly isn't going to take the "maybe we should ban loot boxes as a form of online gambling targeted towards children" debate lying down. You mess with Valve's sources of revenue, they will pull out every possible slime ball argument to say they are legally allowed to piss over any and all consumer rights. Gabe's not about to allow porn to be banned on his store of "digital game license's where you don't own anything actually". Not until the legal situation gets so dire that porn isn't worth attempting to profit off anymore. He has fought far more tasteless battles in his career.

[-] doublah@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 day ago

People probably think Valve is the "good guy" in the case of refunds because they made it a worldwide policy after the Australia case. Other game platforms have only offered refunds explicitly where required. Hell, PlayStation gets away with no refunds almost anywhere if you've downloaded the game.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 280 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Good. Lawyers for companies are too quick to demand that you get rid of things that might make anyone slightly upset, and it ruins online places. It's why NSFW games went away, and why everything needs a thousand warnings. It's why companies are so happy to add age verification, because it "CYA"s them.

Good on Gabe there. That's your job, to protect the company if they get sued, not make content decisions

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago

To be fair, their job is also to recommend the course of action least likely to get Valve sued.

[-] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Least likely to ~~get Valve sued~~ lose Valve money in a lawsuit*

Frivolous lawsuits happen all the time. You're never going to avoid all of them, and shouldn't be trying to. The lawyer's job is to make sure that all their ducks are in a row for WHEN they get sued so that the judge can review all the information and throw the lawsuit out.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 4 points 17 hours ago

No. Their job is to find the legal gray area to operate in so that if they get sued they're not instantly guaranteed to lose. Do you think Meta hires lawyers who tell them "maybe don't spy on people" instead of lawyers who will fight all the fines EU throws at their way? Companies don't hire lawyers just so they could say something can't be done, they're hired to find a way to get it done or find an irrefutable point why it can't be done. The fact that Valve did go ahead with the hands-off approach shows that the lawyer didn't do their job properly when they presented their opinion.

[-] MycelialMass@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Only if they ask for that advice, presumably

[-] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Dont be too hard on this lawyer, though, as his advice has saved Valve big time in the past.

(If you're not familiar, there is a small amount of info about it in the article.)

[-] Folstar@lemmus.org 9 points 1 day ago

A big part of legally protecting a company is being proactive about things that will get you sued. The lawyers were correctly operating in our bad criminal Justice system.

[-] scutiger@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Have you seen what Steam's forums look like? They NEED better moderation. They need to put an end to all the racism and other hateful shit on there. It's a fucking disaster.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 116 points 1 day ago

Article is talking about what games they have on the platform. Separate moderation issues.

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[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 39 points 1 day ago

that is different kind of moderation

[-] rmrf@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago

I personally encourage you to learn more about which you speak before forming such passionate stances. There's merit to what you say, but it's not relevant to the context of the discussion you responded to.

[-] doublah@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Steam provides publishers/developers tools to moderate their forums.

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[-] Dojan@pawb.social 27 points 1 day ago

we got an anecdote from an anonymous former Valve employee of a time when Newell downright bit the head off Valve general counsel Karl Quackenbush

Quackenbush is a wild name.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago

He should at least have a proper American given name like Bront or Firehose.

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[-] Medic8eme@piefed.ca 24 points 1 day ago

Billionaires should be extinct. Even GabeN.

[-] auzy1@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

So what are you doing about steam?

  1. Are you contributing to wine? Probably not
  2. Are you helping develop good gaming hardware.. nope
  3. Are you writing an alternative store? Nope
  4. Are you providing gaming libraries.. Nope
  5. Are you lobbying to defend gamers rights? Nope
  6. Are you testing games for Wine to maintain the AppDB? Probably nope
  7. Are you making it easy to distribute games on multiple platforms? Nope

The reality is, Linux mainly at this time on the desktop is only succeeding still thanks to steam. If any other store were in charge (including GOG), we'd be still stuck in windows, or worse (a console like nintendo). If Steam wasn't available, I wouldn't feel comfortable using Linux for my main desktop (even though, I play all my games on a rog ally X)

Those of us who played games on Linux before Steam was available will tell you how painful it was. Steam changed things completely, and offered an experience that just works (tm). Steam will also no doubt be one of the single biggest driving forces to get ARM on Linux up to snuff (thanks to Steam Frame) with X86 compatibility, in particular performance

Even for those who have been on steam for a decade or longer, old games are STILL working, because they've maintained runtime libraries and such to assist with that.

Gabe didn't get to where he was by dodgy tactics. He got there by providing a service gamers want, and by running a tight ship. He also stays out of politics and from my understanding, is actually known for being a good guy too and is transparent (other than about HL3). Unlike other billionaires, he's also not booking out whole islands intrusively either for a wedding, to flaunt their money.

He's a billionaire sure.. but, the average pay at Steam is also far above average, so its not like he's exploiting labor. And unlike companies like Oracle, the working conditions seem to be far better too. And unlike modern Apple, Steam is about creating products which are good, not simply seem good (which I respect a lot).

[-] auzy1@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

Also, i'd add ironically, unless he blatantly gave away his money, the other option realistically would be to hire lots of developers to write games.. Which, would simply generate more income and turn them into a bigger monopoly..

[-] missingno@fedia.io 61 points 1 day ago

Steam Forums are slowly devolving into one of the worst right-wing incubators because they refuse to proactively moderate. Any time a game gets declared a target by the post-Gamergate crowd, the boards become flooded with propaganda, and Valve does not care.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Something I want Valve to work on is a “blocklist” feature like Bluesky.

Valve themselves are libertarian and don’t want to quash any voices they don’t need to, including negative ones. However, community members could decide “We are tired of anti-woke trolls whining about inclusion, and creating their own enemies for rage farming”; and then write a blocklist of said trolls, that many players choose to subscribe to, making those posts invisible.

Could even configure a blocklist to remove any players with a Steam level of 1, just to remove factory-made bot accounts.

[-] Mora@pawb.social 63 points 1 day ago

The forums are moderated (or in many cases not moderated) by the game publisher, not Steam. If they don't want to moderate they could technically close the forum for their game but very few publishers do so.

[-] BoneheadBruin@pawb.social 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Maybe they're supposed to be moderated by devs/publishers, but I'd guess as high as 99% of steam communities are unmoderated or simply auto moderated for specific slurs. Basically every game I've ever looked at has just piles of threads asking "Is ThIs GaMe WoKe???" or "PLEASE ADD LGBTQ2IABBQ+ CHARACTERS!!!" as award farming shitposts. Heaven forbid its a competitive game because those forums get rancid. It also happens I'm the discussion of basically every news update for any game with a remotely active community.

There is zero or nearly zero accountability for the state of the community hub and Valve simply saying "devs should do it" is just passing the buck.

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[-] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago

This isn't about this type of moderation, it's about NSFW censorship from payment processors.

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree with you, but Steam is not the only place with this problem and Steam isn't the only one with lackluster moderation for it. We literally wouldn't be in the global political situations were in right now if it wasn't for propaganda flooding every facet of the internet. Gamers are a minority internationally and most actual gamers think the steam forums are not even worth looking at.

I'm just saying don't blame only blame Steam. There's an issue with this type of shit literally everywhere and nobody in charge gives a shit.

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[-] koncertejo@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 day ago

I'm glad this was over what sort of games Steam sells and pushing back against payment processors, but the flipside to this is how Steam has far too lax moderation of its community forums as well (which is explicitly part of Gaben's position here). Billionaires aren't your friends, Gabe is politically a weird libertarian that people just happen to like, and Steam's community is one of its most toxic features.

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[-] Krafting@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Valve being Valve... So they keep winning, Thank you Valve. Fuck everyone who wants to stop them when they do the right thing. Content moderation anywhere on the internet just feel like straight up censoring nowadays.

[-] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Because it is. It's social engineering.

[-] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They should become a payment processor... I'd have a valve card. Hell, I wouldn't mind if it even had a relatively high cost at this point, just to say fuck you to visa/mc/amex

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Gabe Newell could very very easily afford to pay for more moderation.

[-] doublah@sopuli.xyz 15 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

This kind of "moderation" (read: censoring adult content) is something he doesn't want.

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