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What a ridiculous question. The real answer, and the one commonly accepted in any Arab country, is I don't condemn resistance movements. I only blame them for not doing more to avoid civilian casualties that's all.

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[-] oktherebuddy@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You have to understand this question isn't about the actual question. 90% of a debate is won by who gets to frame the issue. The other 10% is just tactical wrangling within whatever narrow frame was established, heavily favoring whoever chose the frame. This question is about framing the issue. Just don't accept it. Don't accept the framing. Don't even waste a minute responding to it in any way whatsoever.

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago

"Do you condemn the ongoing genocide? The ongoing apartheid? Do you condemn the Nakba?"

[-] Huldra@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago

I don't think there is a PR friendly answer as such since you either condemn hamas unconditionally or you are soft on them.

My response generally has been "Objectively the only strategy that can stop the existence of Hamas is to forcefully stop the Israeli campaign of genocide, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid, if you want to bomb Hamas out of existence that objectively means bombing every single Palestinian to death."

This is of course, not condemning Hamas, so its not PR friendly.

[-] birdcat@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago

PR friendly: "I'm in no position to condemn or endorse Hamas; this is up to the Palestinians living in Gaza. And .... " then what you wrote.

[-] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

“Palestine has a right to defend itself.” “Do you deny Palestines’s right to exist?”

Getting into semantic debates with imperial citizens about an objective definition of “terrorism” is useless, because “terrorism” has been effectively defined in the imperial consciousness since at least 2001 as “subhuman enemy without rights under law”.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago
[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

Revolutionaries didn't choose armed struggle as the best path

It is the path the oppressors imposed to people

fidel-si

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

Hamas is an army of orphans. The Israelis are reaping what they have sowed by their decades long effort to squeeze the Palestinian people out of existence.

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"No, and you're lucky the FBI's committed enough extrajudicial genocide that all those Amerika oppresses haven't formed a Hamas-type entity against you, either. Inshallah you will be dead within twenty years."

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

"Palestine has a right to defend itself"

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

"Do you condemn what created Hamas?"

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

"I condemn your mom for allowing you to ask me that question"

Perfect PR

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

"I condemn Israel for creating Hamas."

[-] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

No and I also don't condemn earthquakes. You cannot condemn the culmination of natural phenomenon whether that's tectonic plates moving or people reacting to decades of intense subjugation with no resolution or even meaningful concern in sight

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

I've had some success with "what else are they supposed to do?" The ones who actually have a shred of understanding of this conflict are either forced to say "I don't know" or give a weak-ass "something else"

Of course the dumbasses say shit like "Hamas should turn themselves in so Israel stops bombing Gaza" as if the genocide is their fault.

[-] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you condemn the ANC for their actions to end apartheid in South Africa? No action by Hamas can change the fact that they are a response to a greater, ongoing injustice, which Israel can end at any time.

I will condemn Hamas's actions the moment Israel returns the Palestinian's homes and grants them equal rights.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"What the fuck is a harm ass?"

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

"You're asking me if I condemn Palestine. No, I don't."

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"only if you condemn israel"

and to be clear if they are willing to condemn the policies and actions of israel then sure, i can condemn this action by hamas and we can have a real discussion about the problems there but no, zionists and their defenders cant even do this

[-] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago
[-] Satanic_Mills@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

"I am subject to PFLP party discipline."

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

This is what I've been doing. "Yeah, yeah, I condemn Hummus or whatever. I support the PFLP, DFLP, Lion's Den, and just keep listing resistance groups they've never heard of and then "And they're all allied with Hamas, so I guess I'm on-team with Hamas too.

[-] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

“I condemn your mom”

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

"And like a good little white supremacist colonizer, I expect you condemn the Nations of the Plains for their actions at the Little Big Horn?"

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

"Do you condemn Israel?"

[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

I haven't gotten a chance to use this yet, but if anyone asks me about the zionist entity in a context where I need to hide my power level I'll say that it has as much of a right to exist as the US does.

[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm going to ask them if they would like to feed the lions in the Johannesburg Zoo before all the zookeepers go on a three-day weekend break on the 15th of December. One settler should suffice to keep all the big kitties fed for the time, right?

Or the George Calloway method.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Some animals have the ability to explosively vomit bile and stomach contents on attackers when cornered.

Alternately; sweep the leg, then pee on them.

It's not a question looking for an answer, it's a rhetorical attack and should be met with equally violent sophistry.

[-] Umechan@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago
[-] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes. And there are more empty homes here in America than there are people in Isreal. We should have them all come live in Florida so they can be safe.

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