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They have to be careful about the stuff they pretend to support, what if the GOP were devious and voted yes? Then Biden would have to veto it and that might make the voters he despises not like him.
The GOP might be devious but they have the same masters as the Dems, and even something like a chance to fuck the Dems cannot break the "nothing must materially improve" rule both party's moneymen agree on
You mean like a bill requiring you to purchase private dental insurance or pay a fine, right?
I loved finding out how that worked. "Picking" between the extremely expensive insurance choices in the... What did they call it? The marketplace? Ahhh yes i remember watching the Democrats dismantle their own bill, and trying to use "Obama's great achievement". That was quite a lesson for my still-dem-voting self.
there were some good things that came out of it, like covering people til theyre 26 and better covereage of preventative care(my colonoscopies are covered) but yea, the rest of it was some bullshit. The marketplace was mostly a rip off and a super high deductible joke.
Obamacare saved my friend's life (when he was 25), but was a major factor in what killed him (ten years later).
shit, im sorry. im curious to what the factor is, but i also do not fault you for not elaborating.
Thanks. Ultimately it was a "death of despair," and much of that despair was either caused or exacerbated by the low quality of medical and mental health care that's available to the poor in this country, and the debt and unemployability that resulted from it. Other factors existed, but if we had universal health care he would still be alive today.
death of despair
bourgeois social murder
Indeed.
At least we got the public option though.
Yeah the medicaid expansion and banning denial for "pre existing conditions" were good, everything else was a handout to insurance companies
That was a big fuckin' deal, Jack!
they don't want to win, they fundraise more when they lose and which party is in charge doesn't affect the congressional insider trading
If good things happen then how can they convince you that the world is horrible and only they can protect you from it?
If the Republicans called their bluff they'd either have some of the democratic senators "break ranks" to vote against it and/or Biden would veto it like how he said he'd veto Medicare For All. The Democratic party as a whole doesn't want to enact policy and they don't want a majority such that they have no excuses not to do so. They just want to fundraise...cause that's all this shit is. America is just grifts all the way down.
On the one hand, that would genuinely be a good policy that would benefit millions of people.
On the other, I'm imagining the Republican attack ads that show you pictures of crying children in dental chairs while a scary voice over screams "This is what Joe Biden wants to do to your kids!"
And yet, on a third hand, I am excited to see a bunch of QAnon activists with bleeding gums doing flash mobs where they try and shut down a dentist's trade conference.
Creating new Qanon theories by revealing dentists use fluoride
US liberals may be concerned about winning, but the party cares more about fundraising than winning.
At some point the Dems became what they claim the Republicans are, obstructionists. What are they campaigning on besides "stopping fascism"? They seem rather poor at stopping it too but that's just because we don't understand politics/support them hard enough.
What are they campaigning on besides "stopping fascism"?
Bidenomics!
Weilding state power is authoritarian. It has the potential to materially improve working class living conditions, but does nothing to express your essential, moral purity.
Being less glib, every wedge idea like this is predicated on recognizing and participating in class conflict. The liberals that have influence in the party are profoundly uninterested in class conflict, and often don't even accept that it's even a real phenomenon.
Oh, they are interested in class conflict, they are just rooting for the other side.
The liberals that have influence in the party are profoundly uninterested in class conflict
I agree with this. They will often just compartmentalize it to be a matter of "law and order." A lot feel good about just keeping their head down and supporting the police, etc., knowing they won't be the one acted upon with violence.
The ones that dance on the edge of class conflict will just focus on the "middle class" to avoid an actual class analysis.
You assume that liberals have a strategy beyond guilting and nagging.
Voters need braces!
Dental plan!
The goal of neoliberal Democrats = how to help rich people get richer by using the power of the state to enforce the free market
The goal of neoliberal mixed with Austrian libertarian Republicans = how to help rich people get richer by minimizing the state interference in the free market
That’s the ideological battle between both sides. You’re not asking the right question.
As a dentist, I could use another boat...
So how important is flossing really? And can you recommend a proper toothbrush?
I don't think US liberals have any specific connection to the Democratic party apparatus. The party does whatever regardless of their base's demands. The Democratic Party has successfully become a rorschach for liberals, they see it doing whatever they want it to be doing.
Liberals within the party or large donors are the actual apparatus and they're all lanyard wearing ghouls. I can't think of any instance since the civil rights movement or Vietnam protests that widespread public sentiment made the Democrats do anything.
It's far more important that they not do anything than that they win.
Because democrats are commies, and communism is when no toothbrush. Therefore, no dental care.
This is revisionism. In fact, we will all share one giant toothbrush
Or run any other candidate instead of sticking with a historically unpopular mummy and then acting like everyone else is the bad guy for being skeptical about it. If it’s tHe MoSt SeRiOuS election then try actually winning tf???
Winning an elextion is supposed to be like getting a massage. You're supposed to just relax and enjoy it. If you're trying to push legislation at the same time you're doing it wrong.
Oh you sweet summer child.
Marx & Engels' "Address of the Central Authority to the League, March, 1850”:
[T]hat everywhere worker’s candidates are put up alongside the bourgeois democratic candidates, that they are as far as possible members of the League, and that their election is promoted by all means possible. Even when there is no prospect whatever of their being elected, the workers must put up their own candidates in order to preserve their independence, to count their forces and to lay before the public their revolutionary attitude and party standpoint. In this connection they must not allow themselves to be bribed by such arguments of the democrats as, for example, that by so doing they are splitting the democratic party and giving the reactionaries the possibility of victory. The ultimate purpose of all such phrases is to dupe the proletariat. The advance which the proletariat party is bound to make by such independent action is infinitely more important than the disadvantage that might be incurred by the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body. If from the outset the democrats come out resolutely and terroristically against the reactionaries, the influence of the latter in the elections will be destroyed in advance.
Dare I say "Force the vote"?
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