"They are not women's clothing. I bought them. They are mine." Eddy Izzard
Ah, but now she's Suzy Izzard, this line has a whole new context in which to be explored
I already know what you're getting at but arguments in favor of breaking gender stereotypes aren't made invalid if the person who originally made them ends up identifying as trans. I know that lots of people like to use situations like that as "evidence that people who break gender stereotypes are just trans-in-denial" and/or a justification for harassing GNC folks (r/egg_irl and r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns were especially awful about that back in their heyday) but it's very important to recognize that GNC people are valid in their own right, and trying to generalize them as transgender is hurtful and enforces the toxic gender stereotypes that hurt people.
Oh and before someone tries to twist my words around. No a trans woman wearing a dress doesn't enforce gender stereotypes, what enforces gender stereotypes is to say a person (i.e. a femboy) is trans because they wear a dress without their input on the matter.
You just need to rebrand it. It's not a skirt. It's a kilt.
It's not a dress, it's a long tunic.
It's not jeggings, it's....uh....stretchy jeans.
They're not bras, they're apple bottom stabilizers that double as moob support apparatus.
Boots with the fur!
Or a hakama, if you're more the samurai type.
jeggings
Tactical jeans.
Nah, you gotta own it. Capitulating to toxic masculinity and calling your dress a tunic to avoid ridicule is alpha cuck shit. "Please don't make fun of me, I'm not wearing a skirt, it's a kilt!" Nah, this is a skirt and it is so much more comfortable than your denim jeans. We're shopping at target, Braxton, not working on a farm. My outfit is the superior one for this activity
Meh, middle-aged white guy here. Got 3 kilts and they're not so great. Kinda fun in the woods. Went to a party last winter with camo girl leggings and it was super nice. But usually, nah.
The women I dated were hardly conservative, or they wouldn't be with me, and not a one liked 'em, visibly turned off. YMMV.
Middle age white chick here - might depend on the crowd you are around. I have a lot of friends who wear kilts (as in most of the men I consider friends, including the 6.5ft 400lb giant of a man. Just totally happens to be that way, they don’t know each other for the most part, and I find out years after becoming friends) and they don’t seem to have any trouble getting laid (not all of them are strictly into women, but they get teh secs so whatever floats their goats). But kilts aren’t the only counter-culture they actively and clearly participate in, both aesthetically and personally. That might make the difference; that’s just who they are and they are comfortable with themselves enough to do whatever.
If I saw some dude in a kilt and leggings I’d be super amused and chat with them, but I’m asexual so I also wouldn’t be interested, but I’d be interested in you, the person. The same way I’d be interested to talk to a dude in a prom dress or whatever. If their spine is so shiny they can rock that shit in public, I probably want to know them.
“Spine is so shiny” I… I’m going to be thinking about that phrase all day now.
I think it is changing. A few decades ago women wearing pants also weren't acceptable.
Though I think there is a loophole. If you would put on a Scottish Kilt you probably would be ok.
Just commented, nah, women do not like the kilt look, not any I've dated. I'm not so hot on them myself. One of those things that sounds like a good idea, doesn't really work out. OTOH, very nice with leggings and combat boots. Warm!
Guys, if you want to try one, get a knock-off Utilikilt. Loads of pockets, manly looking (I think) without the formal pleated look. I never have a chance to wear the pleated one. :(
I wore a Utilikilt for a while. They're surprisingly uncomfortable. Sitting in a kilt requires effort. The material is a heavy denim, which is hot and doesn't fall nicely. I expected the breeze to be enjoyable. It's not.
The pockets are good.
The women I’ve dated that are into men love guys in kilts, but I’m a woman so it may be that bi women are more likely to like it than straight women. That said I’ve heard complaints that some guys don’t bother with ensuring it’s a good kilt for them and picking a good outfit with it
Shout out to my skinny guys: Girl clothes are cut for us, especially at the waist. Hoodies and jackets are the bomb. Try it. Wife about shit when I strapped on my new women's jacket. "OH! SO sexy!"
Got plenty of casual clothes given to me by exes. That's how I learned.
Buttons and zippers on the "wrong" side are a pain, still worth it.
(For context: I'm a middle-aged, white guy living in the South. No one so much as blinks.)
None of those are women's clothes though, they're "women's" clothes, gendered only by companies trying to make more money.
That's the point he's trying to make
Not really. Good women’s clothing is cut differently then men’s clothing, so it fits our bodies better, mostly accomodating our narrower waists and wider hips. (And the zippers and buttons are on the opposite side too of course.)
The life of a skinny man. Do I choose the clothes that fit me right, or do I choose the clothes with usable pockets?
Exactly! I'm like a 28 inch waist and it's nearly impossible to find men's jackets, T-shirts or hoodies that fit right.
I remember in JRPG The World Ends With You, each piece of clothing has a "Bravery" rating. Higher Bravery on the clothing meant the user needed to have a higher Bravery stat to wear it. Girls naturally had mugh higher bravery, and those outfits ranged from girly to risque, but there was no actual gender restriction.
For a long time, and still now, left is met with criticism. People just like to control other people's lives strangely
Yer be shillin me for wearin me kilt!? My father's father's fought the English of ye highlands with nothin but a kilt and his mighty long sword!
I have my own pair of leggings because they're comfy AF and if anyone wants to talk shit about that, two things: A, my wife bought them for me and that makes them EXTRA special, and 2: fuck off randy, the only reason you're so butt hurt is because your massive insecurities prevent your ass from being caressed by a cloud.
Honestly for the longest time I didn't even know leggings were supposed to be "girls clothing" I always wore them as a child in winter under my jeans. Never knew they "weren't meant for me" . Honestly leggings are great
The great thing about skirts is that they can be breezy even when they're long! So if you're not comfortable with everyone looking at your legs, or can't be bothered trying to sit without showing your crotch, get a nice sweepy skirt that comes to your ankles and Stride! Sprawl! Swagger and Swash! Shwing!
Yes! Floor length skirts are amazing!
In a warm climate I'd imagine the breeze is nice. Up here in Canada though you need a pair of egg warmers.
Man I wish people were that nice to me before I came out
fuck pants
Fuck pants have a fly or undoable back/crotch depending on whether they're for the fucker or the fuckee
I... needed to read that a second time. Yes.
Are JNCOs skirts?
A skirt for each leg. The truest equality.
I dont know maybe you need to change where you live before saying "all of society" is like this.
They living on the internet and people on the internet do be like that.
Or they live in places where "society" is so bothered by it, a handful of old white men are fighting tooth and nail to enact laws forcing it to be a problem in the name of god...
I have no conceptual problem as a cishet man with wearing skirts, but I've worn drag on stage in high school and it was sort of hard to stop flashing people my underwear at various points and that would be all I would think about if I wore a skirt now.
You could go with the athletic shorts under the skirt, still a lot of airflow but no risk of flashing.
He has an erection in both.
Sometimes the "offense" that guys feel over guys wearing skirts and stuff is definitely from closeted thoughts or outright self-hate, but that's not necessarily the case. The underlying issue is they view clothing as gendered in the first place.
Style shouldn't be associated with sexual attraction implicitly, but it does for stupid people, and many people are stupid. Especially horny guys thinking with the wrong head.
The mere presence of a particular article turns them on, and they project that to intent. It is entirely subjective if they get upset at popping a boner, or upset that a male would use clothing that traditionally makes a female sexy. It requires the dumb person to view another's clothing choice as a direct expression to them, but stupid people taking things personally that aren't personal should be preeeetty easy to understand!
It's a lesser mindset, male-focused version of, "what was she wearing?" after an SA event. Just because I'm trying to look pretty and you like some part of that, I am still most definitely not coming on to you by wearing it.
Just commented a couple of times on my kilts being a visible turn off to the women I've dated. I'm a small man, not afraid of girl clothes, but that wasn't hitting with 'em.
Before you go banging on people for "lesser mindsets" and such, consider this; Attraction is not a choice.
Let me day that again for those in the back; Attraction is not a choice.
I think we might be agreeing, but let's not put people down for their attractions.
I never really considered this perspective and really appreciate you sharing it, thank you!
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