This is another one of those stories (like the "40 beheaded babies!") that seems awfully suspicious. Please don't take stories like this at face value.
Organs only remain viable for so many hours after death, so the idea of digging up a mass grave for organs seems sus:
Not to mention cause of death and the person's health before death is really important for the organs as well
This article just screams misinformation
if it's for research it's perfectly valid to use unhealthy krgans
"sus" is a very light word for an obviously made up story.
Why people focus on this "40 babies" story is also beyond me. As if it matters if the person was 12 months, 3 years, 8 etc. to begin with.
Not to mention that someone going through that horror, helping victims and seeing brutally murdered people for hours OBVIOUSLY is going to say nonsense. As if that person is somehow unaffected by that. People say nonsense in far less serious situations. I blame this on the media and the people sucking it up (on both sides!).
40 is a special number. So as soon as I saw the claim of 40 I figured something was up with that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_(number)
"The number 40 is found in many traditions without any universal explanation for its use. In Jewish, Christian, Islamic, and other Middle Eastern traditions it is taken to represent a large, approximate number, similar to "umpteen"."
40 is higher than the number of babies reported in that settlement
it's literally impossible
It's a classic propaganda technique.
If there's a statement that has some truth and some falsehood (such as an exaggerated number by a single person interviewed about a terrorist attack after retrieving the bodies from it), you repeat and point out the falsehood loudly over and over to distract and discredit the truthful parts.
So we aren't having discussions around whether any babies or infants were decapitated or burned alive or any number of horrendous things reported, because the number specifically beheaded didn't total 40 and we've been conditioned to think that's the important part of the statement.
Like, in my mind, a single baby or infant or toddler being beheaded by terrorists is pretty reprehensible and worth discussing. But 99% of the conversations taking place about baby beheading is instead that no claims about the atrocities committed can be trusted because there weren't 40 beheaded babies which was what a single person had said in an interview.
It's extremely effective.
And honestly, it's pretty gross that the rallying cry of ideological defense for Hamas is "there weren't forty beheaded babies so any number less tortured children doesn't count, no take backs."
It'd be like absolving Likud of indiscriminate bombing because the number of women and children reported killed by Hamas was higher than the body count as counted by a third party investigator.
It's been claimed by an European NGO so I wouldn't say it holds as little weight as a US president's statement.
Can you provide a link to their actual claim? Other commentors have stated there's no such claim on their site
I just found the news article corroborated by multiple western sources but I did some additional digging now.
I found a two week old article the site but not a more recent one. I'm not sure if this is the publication that the news sites based their articles on or if there is a more recent one.
The conclusion seems to hang on allegations by the hospital director and ministry of health, but the corpses being stolen by the IDF seems pretty weird to begin with. Especially with their past reputation for organ theft.
Euro-Med Monitor has documented the Israeli army’s confiscation of dozens of dead bodies from Al-Shifa Medical Complex and the Indonesian Hospital in the northern Gaza Strip, and others from the vicinity of the so-called “safe corridor” (Salah al-Din Road) designated for displaced people heading to the central and southern parts of the Strip.
According to Euro-Med Monitor, the Israeli army also dug up and confiscated the bodies from a mass grave that was established more than 10 days ago in one of the Al-Shifa Medical Complex’s courtyards.
This recent Aljazeera video does seem to confirm at least 80 stolen bodies being returned
It would be great if independent journalists were actually able to get into Gaza. The hospital director has invited an independent investigation but of course this gets blocked by israel.
can you report this as a top level comments?
Euro med has a history of spreading pro-Palestine fake news.
I really detest shit like this, it just gives ammo for defense for horrible people/groups/states. There's actual horrible crimes done by Israel that should be covered and investigated and punished for. Making shit up allows them to deflect with "Well if the harvesting organs is fake, bombing a hospital must be too!"
Same for Russia, USSR, China, NATO/America, Republicans, Democrats, and so on. When here's actual horrible things to criticize and use for proof, making shit up doesn't help anyone but those people who already have an easy time getting away with horrid shit.
The hospital bombong was literally Hamas hitting their own hospital and instantly blaming Israel with 50x the real death count. That too is a very bad example.
I’m not saying this is or isn’t happening, but they could use the organs for research or students rather than transplantation. In that case it might be interesting to see what a heart looks like after it’s been decomposing for ten days.
This is true, and stranger things have happened in the US of all places:
But in that case, I don't think you'd apply the word "harvested".
The article claims it's source is Euro-Med Monitor but https://euromedmonitor.org makes no mention of organ harvesting. No press release, blog post or anything.
Lots of other ghastly stuff though, holy shit.
Check X.
Welcome to the 2023 media landscape
Don't want to repost the same thing on the entire thread cause it's rather big but I did some digging for background info:
Did you know that Israel is purposely killing crates of kittens?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt organs are only viable for usage during the very early minutes of a person's death? For example, if a person is dead for more than a hour, his organ would be useless to another person.
I don't know the exact timeframe, but a 10 day old mass grave is very much outside of the viability timeframe
Exactly, so why would anyone need these useless organs? For what usage?
Delicious
not all organs
Organ viability varies
Still useful for research.
Yes. This is 100% fake news. You wouldn't use those bodies for dog meat let alone harvesting organs... It's such a blatant lie that I can't even tell which side is making it up.
Did you know that Israel has a special military unit just for putting down puppies?
For all the people thinking that this can't happen because of decomposition, israel has admitted to doing did this before until 1990.
This doesn't mean that this new accusation is directly proven since it's an NGO accusation, but it's certainly not some impossible fairy tale.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs
Channel 2 TV reported that in the 1990s, specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.
The Israeli military confirmed to the programme that the practice took place, but added: "This activity ended a decade ago and does not happen any longer."
Hiss said: "We started to harvest corneas ... whatever was done was highly informal. No permission was asked from the family."
yeah idk why people are surprised tbh
Yikes
Repost from a reply I put down below but now as a top level comment because someone asked:
I just found the news article corroborated by multiple western sources but I did some additional digging now.
I found a two week old article the site but not a more recent one. I'm not sure if this is the publication that the news sites based their articles on or if there is a more recent one.
The conclusion seems to hang on allegations by the hospital director and ministry of health, but the corpses being stolen by the IDF seems pretty weird to begin with. Especially with their past reputation for organ theft.
Euro-Med Monitor has documented the Israeli army’s confiscation of dozens of dead bodies from Al-Shifa Medical Complex and the Indonesian Hospital in the northern Gaza Strip, and others from the vicinity of the so-called “safe corridor” (Salah al-Din Road) designated for displaced people heading to the central and southern parts of the Strip.
According to Euro-Med Monitor, the Israeli army also dug up and confiscated the bodies from a mass grave that was established more than 10 days ago in one of the Al-Shifa Medical Complex’s courtyards.
This recent Aljazeera video does seem to confirm at least 80 stolen bodies being returned
It would be great if independent journalists were actually able to get into Gaza. The hospital director has invited an independent investigation but of course this gets blocked by israel.
This smells like bullshit.
Israel is milking semen from dead soldiers, this doesn't seem too far off lol
Lol wut. Reliable source or shut up please.
I think this is something that has come up before in Nov 2023. Source
Allegations that Israel harvested the organs of Palestinians, based on a true story published 14 years ago, have resurfaced as the nation's war with Hamas continues.
In 2009, an interview with Dr. Yehuda Hiss—former head of the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute—was leaked. Recorded in 2000 by Nancy Scheper-Hughes—professor of anthropology at the University of California-Berkeley—Hiss said that pathologists at the institute took skin, corneas, bones and heart valves from the bodies of Israeli citizens, Israeli soldiers, Palestinians and immigrants, often without consent from the deceased's family.
The release of Scheper-Hughes' recording was in response to an article by Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet. The publication featured interviews with Palestinians who alleged that young men from the West Bank and Gaza Strip were being killed by the Israeli military and their bodies returned with organs missing. Its content was condemned by many leaders and journalists across the world.
"Whatever was done was highly informal. No permission was asked from the family," Hiss said.
The Israeli military confirmed that organ harvesting took place, but that it ended in the 1990s.
While Israel has attracted attention for alleged connections to wider global organ trafficking this is distinct from the allegations ... about the taking of organs from dead Palestinians.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor said on Sunday it had "concerns" about possible organ theft from Palestinian corpses, following reports by medical professionals in Gaza who examined some bodies after they were released by Israel.
The NGO claimed it has documented Israeli forces confiscating dozens of dead bodies from the al-Shifa and Indonesian hospitals in northern Gaza, alongside others in the south.
Organ theft cannot be proven or disproven by forensic medical examination alone since multiple bodies underwent surgery prior to death, doctors at several Gaza hospitals were cited as saying by Euro-Med.
The 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, which Israel has not ratified, requires combatants to respect the dignity of the dead, including preventing despoiling, mutilation, or any disrespectful treatment of their bodies.
Euro-Med also accused Israel of holding the remains of dozens of Palestinians killed during its military operation in Gaza since 7 October, though some have been handed over to the International Committee of the Red Cross.
Refusing to hand over the bodies of the dead to grieving families for burial may amount to collective punishment, which again is forbidden under the Fourth Geneva Convention, Euro-Med monitor pointed out.
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