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Cancer, I would imagine. The fuck kind of headline is this?
To be more specific:
Asbestos is a known carcinogen to humans, meaning it is capable of causing cancer. When asbestos fibres become airborne and are inhaled, they are known to lodge in the lungs and other parts of the airways, where they can cause scarring, inflammation, asbestosis – an inflammatory condition leading to permanent lung damage – and cell damage that lead to cancers, including mesothelioma, an incurable cancer of the lining that covers organs such as the lungs. For decades, however, the risk from swallowing asbestos has been thought of as small as most fibres were assumed to pass through the gut and be expelled in faeces.
Well, we are about to find out if that assumption is true with a very large study size.
Why wouldn't we also assume the fibers would get stuck somewhere in the digestive tract?
A really fucking bad one.
This seems like a really odd article, they gloss over the fact that asbestos causes lung problems as it stays in the lung and basically cuts it to pieces. I don't believe it is the chemical composition of asbestos that causes the issues (not 100% on that) but the damage it does.
It's a bit like saying knife crime causes lots of injuries and deaths and we've now realised people have knives at home so maybe they'll start suffering similar issues. I know that's an over simplification and not a perfect comparison, but you get the point.
The article also mentions multiple times that there is no clear evidence of issues caused via ingestion. I agree though that more research should be done but articles like this will unnecessarily worry people that aren't aware there are lots of AC pipes and how asbestos causes illnesses.
Most water pipes these days are plastic, are micro plastics likely to be better or worse in the long run?
Whilst I might sound like someone that works for big asbestos I'm not! I do work in the water industry though so possibly this influences my opinion slightly as I was already aware of the amount of AC pipes.
Also have worked in the water industry, and the knife comparison is apt. I was confused by the article, AC is an issue for the crews cutting out chunks but they use water to ensure the particles don’t get air borne. It’s about breathing it in and not about
The burst water pipe part did it for me especially. AC is starting to deteriorate but when pipes are pressurized like that a break doesn’t mean particulates are going into the water system.
as it stays in the lung and basically cuts it to pieces.
Problem is, we don't know for sure that the same thing doesn't happen in the intestines
It causes lung problems because they are sharp fibers that get stuck in the tiny air sacs and build up.
It wouldn't be unreasonable to question if they may also get stuck in the lining of people's esophagus or stomach lining, kidneys, bladders, urethra, etc.
Perhaps it could cause stomach ulcers, rectal issues or kidney stones.
Also most underground city mains are not made from plastic, they are made from metals. And yes they can also cause many issues, such as lead poisoning in flint Michigan.
as it stays in the lung and basically cuts it to pieces.
How can you say this and not come to the conclusion that swallowing these particles is some how not bad?
Just think about it for a moment.
Probably by knowing that after lots of studies there are no signs that it's bad. And that if drinking water gets in your lungs, you have more urgent problems than asbestos.
I'm not saying I'm certain it isn't bad, but there article itself points out that none of the studies done have shown any evidence yet.
Also, I think it's a similar comparison to snake venom, deadly when injected but usually harmless when ingested.
Wow, asbestos pipes, that's something new I learned today…
Total genius move by whomever designed it and the organization that approved/certified it for human potable water use.
How am I still surprised by these things, long ago we once thought lead pipes were perfect for moving/transporting potable water (apparently, one of the many things that contributed to the collapse of the Roman Empire).
Nowadays, high density polyethylene pipes are selling like hotcakes and certified for potable water use. Will we find, in a few decades, that micro-plastics are more prevalent than expected and cause innumerable long term health issues? Hence, the new thing to avoid like the Black Plague.
What is wrong with plain old copper pipes, outside of just being expensive due to low supply vs huge demand? (I may have missed the news on how they too affect health)
Lead pipes aren't so bad. It's lead as an ion rather than an element that's the problem. The lead that led to the dumbenising and collapse of Rome was actually lead acetate, which is sweeter than sugar. They added it to wine, believe it or not. Then you get the Pb2+ ions in your bloodstream and you start to watch Fox News.
I believe in Rome they watched Circus Vulpes
Copper is very well known for being really toxic to all organisms. Too much copper intake can lead to gastrointestinal issues in the short term, kidney and liver problems in the long term. Most effective algaecides for pools are copper based.
The Negative Effects of Copper in Your Drinking Water - https://haguewaterofmd.com/the-negative-effects-of-copper-in-your-drinking-water/
Defund the coppers!
Probably a litany?
When you see all the precautions they take when dismantling a roof made of asbestos plates, the pipes aren't good for the human health.
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