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[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 180 points 1 week ago

loses brain function

can feel pain

X to doubt

[-] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 1 week ago

The person who posted this is a solid example of such a case

[-] son_named_bort@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

That would imply they had brain function to begin with.

[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

I'm more on this part...

becomes unconscious

I have 9 surgeries in my life and I'm wondering how hollow I am now.

[-] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Just thwack yourself with a mallet in a few places and listen for an echo. Simple as

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[-] cdf12345@lemm.ee 99 points 1 week ago

I hate BS like this. And yes I’m biased because I got a double lung transplant. There are so many myths about organ donation. You basically have to have no brain activity and be stable.

[-] Naja_Kaouthia@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

That’s awesome. My niece passed away several years ago waiting on lungs to become available (CF). Everyone in the family is an organ donor now. If we’re not using them might as well give someone else a shot.

[-] cdf12345@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

I was diagnosed CF at three months old. I made it into my 20’s before I was on oxygen full time and was listed for a transplant. I got my transplant over 15 years ago and I’m still doing awesome now.

So I try to thank donors in advance on behalf of the potential recipients of those life saving gifts.

[-] Naja_Kaouthia@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I don’t know you but hearing this makes me incredibly happy and I wish you a long life and all the joy it brings!

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago

Well that person has no brain activity but they're also unstable so that's an issue

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[-] adj16@lemmy.world 86 points 1 week ago

What I really don’t get with these sort of theories is: If something as unethical and outlandish as harvesting organs from a healthy, living person were occurring like this, you really think they’re going to look at a little checkbox on your driver’s license and be like “ah dang no permission for evil today, guess this fucker gets to live”

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 week ago

It's the same with SovCits. They think the entire world is a vast conspiracy to generate wealth from their existence and hide it from them, but the people who run the thing can't just ignore their specifically worded letter.

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

At least they're half right.

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[-] Freshfrozenplasma@sh.itjust.works 71 points 1 week ago

The gold standard to declare brain death is nuclear medicine scan of brain blood circulation. This is done in addition to bedside brain death testing and even EEG if the family wants it all. We fucking KNOW if a patient has cerebral blood flow or not. This person is ridiculously incorrect.

[-] August27th@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 week ago

The author knows this is true because that's how their brain got removed. 🙄

[-] superfes@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

If I'm so injured they're not sure I'll make it, but they can save someone else with my organs, please do that.

Yeesh.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

What is an hour of agony while I’m already suffering and dying to added years of reduced pain to someone who isn’t dying anymore. I don’t know what all I owe my fellow humans, but I know they deserve that.

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

I think it's more like, so injured that you won't make it. If it was a coin flip for someone's survival, then it would be basically murder to take someone's organs.

[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago

The original news article has since been archived, but there was a horrifying case in 2007 where EMS in my hometown arrived at an accident for which they were unprepared because dispatch had mislabeled it as low-speed crash. There were 4 occupants in the vehicle, and, according to the fired EMT's family, the front passenger was so badly injured that pieces of her brain were on the dashboard and she was unresponsive. The ill-equipped team worked to get the other three occupants out of the car and get them to the hospital and ended up assumed that someone on the crew had taken the presumed-dead passenger's pulse.

As a result, a tarp was thrown over her body and she was taken away to the morgue where the coroner eventually discovered that she'd died due to her injuries rather than upon impact. All four of the emergency responders faced disciplinary action and I believe the family of the deceased won a lawsuit against the city.

The bottom line, and to your point, there are very strict guidelines and a lot of red tape before you get to say someone is "close enough to dead" to start carving out their organs.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Hood said the four paramedics were in the 21st hour of a 24-hour shift that began the previous day.

The ridiculous way we run 24 hour emergency services across the world is beyond dumb. How we get away with making EMS, Fire, and Healthcare work 12-24 hour shifts is beyond me.

10 hours is already stretching it with police (unions OP) or other professions like Security.

Yeah, non-police can sleep if they're in a suburb. Until I see data that people running 24 hour shifts vs running classic 1/2/3rd shifts is better on their health, I'm forever going to doubt.

Alas, there's no chance we're mandating no working 2nd and 3rd shifts until we're practically in a utopia already. The secret toll it takes on people is criminal without proper pay.

After 22 years, researchers found that the women who worked on rotating night shifts for more than five years were up to 11% more likely to have died early compared to those who never worked these shifts. In fact, those working for more than 15 years on rotating night shifts had a 38% higher risk of dying from heart disease than nurses who only worked during the day. Surprisingly, rotating night shifts were also linked to a 25% higher risk of dying from lung cancer and 33% greater risk of colon cancer death. The increased risk of lung cancer could be attributed to a higher rate of smoking among night shift workers, says Schernhammer.

https://time.com/3657434/night-work-early-death/

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[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I ride motorcycles. When I was young I heard them referred to as "organ donation machines" because Texas doesn't have a helmet law and in any kind of real crash you're gonna be at least braindead (I do wear a helmet now, but didn't in my misspent youth).

They were trying to talk me out of riding. All they really did was convince me to register as a donor.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago

Why are there so many people with the desire to make up stupid fantasy stories? This is an obvious example, somebody had to invent this, and write it down, and it's a guarantee that a few idiots will pick this up and run with it, they'll repost it to multiple places, they'll add their own fantasy elements to it to make it even worse, and they too will find an audience.

It's painful to watch how much good is being destroyed by these assholes.

Is it just a snowflake in need of attention issue? Is it a mental disorder issue? It causes way too much damage in our society

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Narcissism. They want to feel they know something you don't, and they want attention for saying it.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 week ago

You know, that's exactly right. When I had to have heart surgery, they put me out. In fact, I asked the doc if they could sedate me early cause I was anxious, and he said sure. I woke up with no heart, not eyes, no liver, you get it. How I've been able to survive since is a fucking miracle. I'm like a living zombie.

Give me back my organs, gubment!

These people are hilarious except for the part where they vote.

[-] NutellaIs4Lvrs@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

I’m not sure about other states, but the one I live in usually requires two brain death tests at least 6 hours apart and by different MDs that have to be credentialed to perform brain death testing. They also have(and usually perform) an apnea test where they turn the ventilator off for a set period of time and see if the patient initiates any breathes on their own as well as measuring blood gases before and after the procedure. Finally, they often use an injected nucleotide to measure blood flow to the brain, taking multiple images of several angles to confirm that there is no blood flowing to the brain.

If the person was on any paralytics, they have to be cleared from the system before testing can begin as well as all labs such as sodium, potassium, etc. and body temperature must be within normal parameters to begin.

If all those things are confirmed, the person is legally declared dead with an official time of death and only then can the legal next of kin be approached for organ donation.

Basically, this person is bonkers(as we all know) and organ donation is highly regulated.

[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Conspiracy theorists never have conspiracy theories against people and things they like lol.

Also, I hope whoever took the screenshot got their food from Uber Eats and the driver didn't fuck them over.

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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

In a very rigid sense of being composed living tissue, yes - you are alive during organ donation in most cases. In the sense of being a human being or really even an organism... less so.

If I cut off my arm, the tissue would continue to metabolize for a few minutes (?) but I wouldn't exactly argue for its right to vote.

[-] Lath@kbin.social 19 points 1 week ago

Well, he ain't completely wrong.

The "no brain activity" is based on trust that the doctor in question knows what the hell they're talking about and doesn't have a reason to lie, so it's usually recommended to get multiple independent opinions to avoid the possibility of malpractice.

People have been declared legally dead, only to wake up at various points past it, such as the morgue, during autopsy, in the casket without an autopsy, already buried.

And there have been reports of partial resistance to anaesthetics where patients were paralyzed/partially unconscious, yet felt the pain of operations.

Organ donation is the right thing to do when you're certain to die. However, as proven by the Alabama prison system recently, where there's profit to be made, abuse is the norm, not the exception.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago

People have been declared legally dead, only to wake up at various points past it, such as the morgue, during autopsy, in the casket without an autopsy, already buried.

This bit of evidence doesn't really support the overarching theory. Since the 1980s there have been only a couple dozen of these incidents, and they for the most part always have one common denominator, the affected persons being very old.

It can be harder to accurately find the pulse and other life signs on the elderly, and people aren't as likely to really search for signs of life on someone who looks as fragile as a terminally ill elderly patient.

The vast majority of transplants are from young healthy people who were involved in traumatic accidents, and thus wouldn't really be subject to the Lazarus effect.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 17 points 1 week ago

People have been declared legally dead, only to wake up at various points past it, such as the morgue, during autopsy, in the casket without an autopsy, already buried.

Recently?

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[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago

During this process their heart rate and blood pressure increase substantially.

Ok, but by how much? I'm a registered organ donor and am now concerned that, as I lay paralyzed and semi-conscious with no brain activity while my organs are butchered out of me, the nurse is then gonna be like, "oh no, his heart rate and blood pressure is increasing substantially!"

See, if you're gonna tear my organs out of me in my nightmare state, I want it to be a challenge! You gotta be fast and precise before my blood pressure and pulse explosively increase and I blow out cascades of blood, turning into a sanguineous Water Wiggle. It's gotta be like a game of Perfection that you either harvest everything in time, or my body explodes.

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[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

To plays devil's advocate there are inconsistent standards of what constitutes dead many established decades ago and whereas some folks are obviously by any standard a potato others including by standards they themselves elect are defunct in ways that we understand far less eg not able to initiate breathing on their own or not capable of regaining consciousnesses. Due to our lack of complete understanding there have been cases in which people were taken off the ventilator to die and spontaneously started breathing. EG our original analysis was obviously incomplete.

What is experienced if anything by those near or even post official death is also an interesting open question. Experiments involving flooding pig heads dead for > 1 hour with oxygenated liquid have shown some sign of electrical activity in cells for instance. We don't even know what the subjective experience of people being operated on really is other than obviously NORMALLY they don't consciously form memories or have control of their faculties.

All of that said organ transplants save so many lives and it is a voluntary process. If you have any concerns whatsoever you ought to think hard about it and make your wishes expressly known rather than blanket shutting the door on saving those lives. I am an organ donor. I have faith in my family to make intelligent decisions if I'm not able to make them.

[-] medgremlin@midwest.social 12 points 1 week ago

I've worked in ERs before and am somewhat familiar with the process they use for determining brain death. There was a child that came in with catastrophic brain damage, and the process to determine that the child was in a permanent vegetative state was quite extensive. There were multiple evaluation by neurologists and neurosurgeons via MRI and EEG over the course of multiple days to verify a lack of brain function. It's not something that is determined in the moment. The decision made in the ER is whether or not the organs will be donated because it can make some differences in the life-support care during the brain death determination process.

[-] PopMyCop@iusearchlinux.fyi 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

NORMALLY they don’t consciously form memories or have control of their faculties

And remember, those two states (not being able to form memories AND not having control of faculties) can be, and sometimes are, two different drugs. It's why you have the horror stories of people remembering waking up on the surgery table, but being unable to move.

[-] cygon@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The author just didn't think of the right target group :D

This has all the hallmarks of a good "Creepypasta" story. It's based on something real, then inserts just a quantum of bullshit that would turn a good and real thing into a living nightmare.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 15 points 1 week ago

So is there any evidence of that insane claim, or...?

[-] zwaetschgeraeuber@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

The elite is deleting all evidence, but he saw a youtube video from a random guy. That should be proof enough

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[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Verified user.

What a joke that system is.

If had magic wand, everyone would have a single internet login, tied to their real identity. They can still post anonymously, but then it has to be anonymous, no username, no clout.

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[-] DrDominate@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Just enterfaining this insane theory. Surely a spike in heart rate and blood pressure would be short lived as a substantial loss of blood right? At what point would there be no more pain from shock? Shortly after a major organ is removed? Anyway, where do people come up with these crazy theories...

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

why tho. he doesn't get into the why

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[-] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago

Somebody during the French revolution was interested in whether the guillotined heads would respond in some way, so he called them by name. Some did.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I read that to be extra cruel, they'd pick the severed head up and show it the body. That way if you remained conscious for a little while after your head is cut off, the last thing you'll see is the horror of your headless body.

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