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All landlords are monsters that profit off of the poor and should be nuked to hell where they belong

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[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 98 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Mao didn't order any mass killings of landlords though. This is a common misconception. After the Agrarian Reform Law, Mao supported the rights of peasants to confront and punish their former landlords, such as the Speak Bitterness campaigns. They could then be put on trial at People's Courts, which were set up by Red Guards. If the peasant's grievances were severe, these landlords would then be found guilty, and either be beaten or executed. based-department

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago
[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

He was nicer than I would've been. meow-shining

[-] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago

It was also a very regionalized thing: in places where landlords lived in the same general area as their properties they tended to be put on trial and punished, but in places where they instead lived in cities and delegated management of the property to others it was their cronies who were punished while the landlords were allowed to either flee the country or cut a deal to peacefully hand over their properties and receive a job as a bureaucrat in return on account of the dire need for literate workers (a category that pre-revolution was systemically restricted to the rich and some skilled professionals).

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[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

This is fantastic news. It’s like the Game of Thrones “shame” bit but instead of nudity it’s a dunce cap.

[-] D61@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago

kitty-birthday-sad <-- "Was a landlord"

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[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 8 months ago

This picture reminded me that dammit wiki is correct on him here:

Mao was center left

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[-] D61@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago

mao-wave "Heya, fam! So, like, I'm not going to tell you how to take care of your business but if something happens while I'm over there checking on the grain harvests... Its not like I saw anything..."

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 57 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I disagree.

Death is a waste! Landlords should be forced to pay back their debt to society. Make them build housing and clean dwellings.

[-] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

The best way to ensure that the housing is shitty. Landlords aren't actually good at anything.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm sure they'd be good carrying shingles up ladders. 😎

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[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago

If it's shitty, they can live under the next one.

[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

was it the romans who executed the builder if their building collapsed and killed people? either way, let's do that

[-] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

You've converted me into a marble statue guy.

I'm thinkin about Rome

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[-] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 53 points 8 months ago

what do you mean it's perfectly fair that poor people spend half their lifetime to pay off my loan without getting anything for it. my hard labor of applying for a loan is definitely worth 500k.

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 50 points 8 months ago

was talking with a potential friend and they started to complain about how their tenant had an unauthorized dog

sigh

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 45 points 8 months ago

Tip your landlord, into a burning pit of hell.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

Even Satan would be disgusted by their evil

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

nobody has to pay rent in hell, so how bad could it be

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[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 31 points 8 months ago

Had to listen to my mother in law's boyfriend talk about how he's eyeballing a multi tenant property today. His back of the napkin math came out to be ~$13k per month profit (that's net, after mortgage), and he's got the money to do it. Tells us that Joe Byron is the problem with the country and young people just need to boot strap it up... Meanwhile my brother in law has a good paying job and plenty of cash on hand, he can't afford a fucking shack.

The fucker doesn't pay a goddamn dime to my MIL for the mortgage while living in her house, and he owns two other properties - one for fun and he rents the other one to a family member. He buys that shit and we won't be speaking to him again.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago

get him into hiking. accidents happen ya know?

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago

He takes more than enough chances with motorcycles.

[-] AtomPunk@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago

Comrade Motorcycle, your next mission if you choose to accept it…

[-] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago

His back of the napkin math came out to be ~$13k per month profit (that's net, after mortgage)

instantaneous gulag gulag

[-] Wake@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Not the poor smol bean landlordarinos! kitty-cri-screm

[-] BakedBeanEnjoyer@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

Theoretically, am I a landlord if a rent out a room below market value in my current residence?

It's either that or just let it sit empty apart from the 2 days a year I have a guest over.

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 44 points 8 months ago
[-] BakedBeanEnjoyer@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago

I appreciate the hesitation at least.

[-] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 8 months ago

The delivery on your answer is so good. Had a good laugh looking at the picture you're responding to and then reading your comment!

[-] neo@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

This child has an Aang color palette

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 8 months ago

The simple answer is yes

The nuanced answer is yes, but this person isn't really the problem. They are still profiting, ultimately, off the labor of another just by owning "capital" (quotes because a personal home isn't really capital, but it's sort of transformed into this specific case... it's weird). However in terms of scale and intent, it's different.

Scale obviously if you rent one or two rooms that's the limitation of exploitation you can participate in unless you become a full fledged capitalist and buy more homes to rent.

And intent is obviously a gray area, but looking at it in the least cynical way, the owner in this case might be struggling for whatever reason, electricity rates are high as fuck, inflation generally is up, and they might legitimately need say $400/month more income to just stay in the home. In this case that would be cheap as fuck to most people to then be able to live in a full house with a private room. This intent, in my view, is as ethical as possible for this situation. If the owner is otherwise doing fine and just wants to pocket $400/month, well, that's essentially just being a normal landlord, although still a little different since the home wasn't originally purchased with the sole purpose of profiting from renting it... so there's a lot to analyze there and my end thought is basically "this person isn't worth the time to care about even if their intentions are the worst possible case." Basically because there are much larger fish to fry. That doesn't mean I have to support it, but also hyper-focusing on some dude/family renting one room out is... not a good use of time, imo.

This still benefits the homeowner of course because they, and they alone, gain equity in the home as they pay off the mortgage more and more. If a tenant lives there for 5 years, $400/month, and moves out, the homeowner has effectively stolen $24000 from the tenant. Obviously some of that went to, perhaps, paint for walls, upkeep from increased wear and tear, but let's be honest it wasn't $24000 worth unless the tenant collapsed the fucking roof. This is why it's exploitation and the only real way around this is some sort of legal agreement that the tenant will receive their full portion of the equity if they move out. Maybe if the owner is elderly putting them in the will would be a way to do it. There's a bunch of scenarios, but if the tenant just lives there, pays, and moves one day, the owner directly benefited from someone's labor, so, still exploitation. Although this comes back to my above answer of "this is so small that it's hardly worth focusing on."

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

In the revolution, your dad will have to give his second home to the renters but won't be harmed

[-] HamManBad@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

Ideally, no one will be killed by the revolution except for two specific circumstances:

  1. You took up arms against the revolution either in battle or as a terrorist against the workers' Republic. Obviously the revolutionary war itself will have the most casualties

  2. You held a position of authority under capitalism and the people impacted by your authority democratically decide that you deserve the death penalty. Oil executives are probably the top of that list, and we should make a spectacle of it

Anything beyond that is an excess, in my opinion

[-] BakedBeanEnjoyer@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

The nuanced answer is yes, but this person isn't really the problem.

Thank god, now I can rest easy in my 8 story luxury apartment complex that my grandfather bought me.

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 8 months ago

Oh damn it looks like the clerk accidentally filed your plea for mercy under the written confessions section... your execution has been expedited. Oh no...

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[-] FanonFan@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

Morally speaking I don't think it matters in and of itself. There's a power imbalance that needs to be critically engaged with so it doesn't become a problem, and there's a small to medium influence on your material interests that may color your perspective on things if you aren't ideologically disciplined.

Treating people well and being nice and trying not to exploit people is basic, individual morality, trying to be good.

Leftism however is about trying to understand and change society. It isn't about lifestylism or poverty or personal purity.


Categorically speaking I wouldn't consider you a landlord. Your material interests likely don't align with the landlord class, assuming you still have to sell your labor to survive. Of course you (or others in your material position) might adopt an aspirational consciousness that aligns with landlord ideology-- I've even seen that from people with no private property whatsoever, nothing at all with which to rentseek. Temporarily embarrassed millionaire types.

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[-] Finger@hexbear.net 19 points 8 months ago

no more half measures walter

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago
[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago
[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago
[-] Eldritch@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

I'm a hair away from taking my landlord to the tenant's court so after weeks of dealing with that gaslighting kulak piece of shit, I feel this post 😂

[-] frogbellyratbone_@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

YAH WELL AS AN ANARCHIST

yes

[-] stalin_but_trans@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago

Currently arguing with my old landlord about damage that was there when we moved in that they're now trying to pin on us, hope this piece of shit dies in a fire.

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[-] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago

I once again have to choose rent over food and this time it's more personal because rent has increased and my money for food has decreased.

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