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I wanted to share an article but after read/scanned ~6 of them - I had nothing to share. They weren't any good. I wish blogs were still a thing. Blogs can be excellent on topics like these. Here's the Wikipedia page - Columbine High School massacre.

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[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 47 points 6 months ago

I wonder if maybe now people will finally look at the two shooters being neo-nazis and not placing blame on rock music and video games.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 37 points 6 months ago

the two shooters being neo-nazis

I don't know if you saw the self text but I read/scanned a bunch of articles and they were weird. I didn't see any mention of Nazism or their hatred. It gave me the creeps. Instead the badly written text was focused healing, grieving, and gun control hopium.

[-] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

I remember reading Dave Cullen's book on Columbine and he basically blames it all on the shooters' mental illnesses. Like it all happened because the psychopath and the extremely depressed kid (both post-humously diagnosed) were codependent in their violent fantasies or whatever. I don't recall any more than maybe a passing reference to nazi ideology in that book, pretty disappointing considering 10 years of research went into it

[-] davel@hexbear.net 45 points 6 months ago
[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

If the trend continues as it has, the new record should be set during the 2028-2029 school year.

[-] pastalicious@hexbear.net 24 points 6 months ago

I wouldn’t say inured. People seem to care a great deal and feel exasperated over the ongoing situation. There’s a political impotence and lack of analysis revealed by the situation… and I think that impotence and lack of analysis is part of a vicious feedback loop that actually inspires more violence, larger kill counts, increasingly cruel targets.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 24 points 6 months ago

The Sandy Hook shooting happened in December, 2012. By early 2013 I had entirely given up on any hopes of gun control. If a mass of murdered little kids killed by guns didn't change anything - I knew nothing would ever change. I think that's true for a lot of Americans.

[-] CreamarySteamary@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

"Gun control" is a bourgeois talking point. Rifles kill less than 400 people a year in the US on average, the Bloombergs and the Bidens and the Betos are only concerned about disarming the working class. Things that would actually address mass shootings (like affordable mental healthcare) are never even discussed, because those solutions actually cost the rich money.

[-] wopazoo@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Rifles kill less than 400 people a year

Hilarious talking point when literally tens of thousands are killed (homicide!) per year by gun violence. This is like saying that Honda Civics only kill so many people per year, so traffic violence is no biggie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

Things that would actually address mass shootings (like affordable mental healthcare) are never even discussed,

Imagine seriously believing that rampant gun violence, an exclusively American phenomenon, is the cause of anything other than the second amendment.

THERE ARE NO MASS SHOOTINGS WITHOUT GUNS. Guns, not anything else, are the root cause of gun violence, just like how cars, not anything else, are the root cause of car crashes.

'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

[-] ingirumimus@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

Also love the take that anyone in power in America who proposes gun control is only concerned about disarming the working class, not maybe stopping children from getting slaughtered in schools. Like yeah mental health services would be great but also there is absolutely a connection between the number of mass shootings and the fact that America has more guns than people

[-] CreamarySteamary@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

Ok, what gun control measures should we put in place that would stop "children getting slaughtered in schools" while also not giving the government a total monopoly on violence?

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

The government already has a monopoly on violence and it's a joke to pretend otherwise. In the event of an armed revolution, private firearm ownership won't stop them rolling in tanks or bombing you with jets.

[-] CreamarySteamary@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

"We should just give up since it's hopeless anyway"

No. I think you should look to history to understand what happens when a professional military tries to occupy hostile territory. Asymmetric warfare is impossible to extinguish. The Palestinians are holding their own in a tiny city with AKs, tunnels, and homemade explosives. The Taliban now control all of Afghanistan. The Vietnamese pushed the US into the sea. An armed populace is impossible to repress, especially when it's as armed as US citizens are, and when the territory that needs to be held is as massive as the US. There is absolutely no way the US military could indefinitely suppress the US civilian population while still maintaining the production necessary to fuel it's war machine.

[-] KhanCipher@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

Also love the take that anyone in power in America who proposes gun control is only concerned about disarming the working class

He's not exactly wrong though, since gun control historically in the US was a lot more about taking guns out of the hands of PoC. One modern case was in California with the Mulford Act, which came about because the Black Panthers showed off the the thing whites fear the most has and still will be black people open carrying guns.

[-] assyrian@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Hilarious talking point when literally tens of thousands are killed (homicide!) per year by gun violence. This is like saying that Honda Civics only kill so many people per year, so traffic violence is no biggie.

why are suicides always left out of this conversation? that's a huge portion of gun deaths that would otherwise just not exist if guns weren't so easy to get.

[-] CreamarySteamary@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

THERE ARE NO MASS SHOOTINGS WITHOUT GUNS. Guns, not anything else, are the root cause of gun violence,

We've had guns in this country since the beginning. You used to be able to buy machine guns out of a catalog and have them shipped to your door for 200 bucks. The mass shooting thing is a recent development. Obviously there are other factors at play.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

mass shooting thing is a recent development

i think you will find this list has entries throughout most the 20th century

[-] wopazoo@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Do you think the Columbine shooters would've gotten anywhere as far as they did if all they had were a kitchen knife and a machete? Guns enable mentally ill individuals to commit acts of mass murder in a way that is impossible in gun-free societies.

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

Enforcing gun control laws also means relying on the police, whose ideologies are identical to those of school shooters. European countries manage to moderate rightwing rage with the kinds of concessions you mention here, but the USA is a settler colony and also requires its settlers to be armed more or less all the time in order to stave of their inevitable defeat for as long as possible. There is no way out of this situation for as long as the USA exists, and I say that as a parent with kids in school.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

Honestly we're at the point where I'm surprised the liberals aren't calling for a mass purge of police forces. If the people upholding the "law and order" they supposedly care about so much overwhelmingly support Trump, you'd think that'd be worrying.

[-] pastalicious@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

Liberals don’t oppose people like Trump, they require constant fear of people like Trump to legitimize their nearly identical politics.

[-] CreamarySteamary@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Why would liberals want to purge the police? They love cops.

[-] ped_xing@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

Growing up in the US, you just hear about people getting shot and killed. That's part of the 6:00 news along with sports and weather. There's no time to emotionally engage with what happened; you get maybe 5 seconds with a distraught family member and then it's back to the studio where nobody's showing any reaction, so, from a child's perspective, why should the viewer? So the jarring thing about Columbine for me wasn't that it happened, it's that people decided to keep caring about it unlike the hundreds of other shootings that we just immediately forgot.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

Eh, it's anecdotal but when I saw the image in this post my first thought was "wait, only 13? That seems low for how big a deal it was back in the day".

[-] Blep@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

The mass shooting meta is has advanced significantly in the last 25 years

[-] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

Remember watching a documentary about this in school. For some reason Marilyn Manson was in it.

[-] Sephitard9001@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago

One or both of 'em were Manson fans and they had to find literally anything to blame other than right wing ideology.

[-] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They also had Doom on their computer, which a lot of right wingers seized on. This was at a time when more computers had Doom installed than Windows.

[-] Sephitard9001@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

The woke conservative Christian mob came after gamers joker-gaming

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 23 points 6 months ago

Bowling for Columbine maybe

[-] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

Yesss that rings a bell

[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

Why Do We Get Columbine So Wrong?

Two popular bullies try to blow up a school and then shoot people when the explosions fail.

They were not geeky, picked on, trenchcoat-wearing, Marilyn Manson fans, bent on revenge, who asked people if they believed in god. Everything most people think they know about Columbine is false.

[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

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[-] dch82@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago

Why couldn’t they just ban guns?

Asking as a British citizen

[-] assyrian@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago

the gun lobby and gun manufacturers are too powerful to allow that

[-] dch82@lemmy.zip 11 points 6 months ago

In other words, same reason why tobacco could not be banned.

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