Far Harbor has excellent atmosphere and environments, and that's pretty much it. I still don't like the writing and the player agency is lacking as usual IMO. Nuka World is just bad unless you want to be cacklingly cartoonishly evil, and it's not great even then.

Also, Far Harbor managed to convince a lot players that you play as a Synth

It could have been done, but your character reacts to the question of "Do you remember anything from before you were frozen" like they were the player

Which I think only speaks to the "Blade Runner, but bad" theme of the game

Warning on Nuka-World, if you don(k go along with the raiders there is nearly 0 plot content. There's no not-raiders story. You can turn on them in the final quest but up until then you have to play ball. I was not thrilled by this.

Far Harbor is almost cruel, it's the closest Bethesda have ever gotten to delivering stellar Fallout content. Genuienly fun and interesting despite the mechanics of the base game infecting it.

unless you're talking about lack of interactable npcs I'm surprised you feel the environment is empty. i always found it pretty dense especially in boston itself.

The thing with Fallout 4 is that it actually is "skyrim with guns". Every single part of that game is designed to get you into the lootshooter loop, an endless grind with no clear goal. It then also pretends to be an RPG but is so shit at it that it completely ruins it. There's really no reason not to just play Fallout 76 instead.

They literally turned down a proposal from Obsidian for another New Vegas-style spinoff after Fallout 4

It's pretty good yeah

Was just thinking it really says something that anybody else doing Fallout (Black Isle, Obsidian, Jonathan Nolan) just beats the fucking shit out of anything Bethesda can think to do with it

It's pretty enjoyable for what it is, which is a Bethesda™ Fallout story, just with characters you might actually care about and a story that basically works. There's also a surprising amount of stuff that is set pre-war and they really go for it with "filling out" the backstory of Fallout and changing the status quo of its world, it's just a shame that everything they do lore-wise makes the world less interesting and less resonant. It is fully Bethesda™ Fallout.

I enjoyed it apart from the frequent appearance of Marvel humour which falls completely flat, breaks the tone, hurts the pacing, and just feels shoehorned in. HAHA SEGGS AWOOGA

Lore changes shit me, but it's pretty fun and is goofy when it needs to without sacrificing the dark things. It ain't perfect but like the live action one piece its better than it has any right to be given the source material is unfilmable.

Yep. I liked it. I think it's pretty approachable as well for anyone who hasn't played fallout before. If you're completely unfamiliar with it, the only thing you really need to know is that American culture kinda paused in the 50s and a lot of technology stayed the same, so the pre-war era has a retro-futuristic aesthetic. Basically everything else is explained as the show goes on