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[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 72 points 4 months ago

As yes nuking a territory right next to your own holdings that you intend to occupy after conquering. Surely settlers will want to move into irradiated land and the winds will never blow east towards Tel Aviv!

Fascists aren't even good at doing fascism, Jesus!

[-] Roonerino@hexbear.net 77 points 4 months ago

You misunderstand. He's not trying to do fascism, he's a member of the evangelical Christian doomsday cult cheering for the apocalypse.

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 59 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

it's an important distinction, between Christian-Zionism and Israeli-Zionism that seems to be lost or purposely obscured by democrats:

  • Israeli-Zionism is settler-colonial and wants to exterminate the indigenous...
  • Christian-Zionism wants the entire world to burn in a nuclear Holocaust right after Jesus comes back in a magic Ford SUV and drives all 1200 people at their specific megachurch to heaven, where they can eagerly watch everyone else writhe in agony forever.

imagine forming a coalition with the heavily armed and powerful people who pray for your eternal torment.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago

I've had a couple of frustrating experiences lately trying to explain what a vile, empty mockery of religion Christian Fascists are and to no one's surprise Europeans who have never dealt with them face to face are unable to accept my explanations and insist that i'm mistaken and there must be hidden depths and human sentiment there.

[-] T34_69@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

unable to accept my explanations and insist that i'm mistaken and there must be hidden depths and human sentiment there.

Lol, lmao

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

I... would still consider that fascism.

Regardless, I would think even then he'd understand why Israel wouldn't want to nuke something right next to them. Fuck why not advocate for nuking Iran that at least seems a bit more plausible and just as likely to lead to the end times.

[-] brainw0rms@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Evangelicals don't give a damn about Israel or Jews in general, so I don't think he's really taking their motivations or longevity into account. They (evangelicals) believe the existence of the nation of Israel and its subsequent total destruction are prerequisites for the Christian apocalypse/rapture. That's his only goal. I sorta agree that viewing this through a "fascism" lens isn't really helpful for understanding how people like Lindsey Graham think.

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago

I find it so weird that Evangelicals want to BRING ABOUT the apocalypse. Plenty of other religions believe in an "end time", but you don't see this kind of behavior from Jews, Muslims or even most older Christian sects. They all accept God is a being so powerful and all knowing that understanding his grand plans is impossible and you are just gonna have to accept the end times will come about when God wills it and just live you life as best you can till them.

Evangelicals want to be able to not just predict, but incite the apocalypse. Like what if they think they don't put the leg work in Gods grand plan is gonna get totally derailed and reality will have to keep chugging along a few thousand years past schedule? Gods gonna be PISSED if I don't get the US to nuke Iran, it will fuck up his whole timetable!

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

Christian Fascism is defined by almost complete lack of theology or scholarship, and for being extremely schismatic to a farcical degree. It's a religion of the id, of the pure libido of the American white suburban aggrieved peitit boug psychopath. It's all about petty greed and spite and personal wish fulfillment.

[-] Roonerino@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

My hypothesis is that they're afraid of the future and afraid of their own mortality and if they can create the biblical apocalypse then they get to side-step both of those issues by getting teleported directly to heaven in the rapture.

[-] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

It also runs completely counter to the stated goal of their religion

The bible is pretty clear that the end time is unknowable and until then humans have to be good stewards of the planet. Trying to bring about the apocalypse isn't exactly good stewardship

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

milennarianism requires the twinge of new developments to get the ball rolling, but once it starts 'you can't expect god to do all the work' and 'we need to prepare' apocalyptic ideology start mixing together & spawning actual activist tendencies. this is where you get people selling all their belongings, long distance pilgrimage/migration, novel social organization, and for people with state power, an exercise of it (usually on vulnerable people).

so in this case evangelicals haven't been constantly on an israel apocalypse fever for the 200 or so years whereever you wana peg 'evangelicalism', but it springs from the simple existence of israel which checks one of the prophetic boxes in their interpretation, and then right now they're having a war & spiked the interest because they think there's a bigger opportunity. a couple years ago in the slow apartheid stage of the conflict, evangelicals didn't have the same excitement. unless Lindsey Graham was banging a proliferation drum for the past decade, his statement demonstrates this.

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[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

They do that too

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[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

lindsey doesn't understand how real estate works

[-] Flyberius@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago

I would simply sell my irradiated beach front property

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 39 points 4 months ago

irradiated beach front properties.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

But Israel doesn't have nukes :thonk:

Edit: just watched the clip, graham says we should "give them the bombs they need to win this war"

What a vile pig person

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[-] wombat@hexbear.net 38 points 4 months ago

all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.

[-] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 34 points 4 months ago

What if the samson option involves using nukes on european or american cities out of spite

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

What do you mean, "what if?" That's always been the entire point.

Israeli foreign policy is holding the world hostage to demand endless shipments of weapons and support, because they'll irreparably damage the planet if placed into a losing position.

[-] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

They don't have long range missiles. They can't hit anything outside of europe and the M.E. They're not ending the world, they'll just fuck up parts of it.

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[-] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

I thought that was the point, if Israel falls so does the fucking world

[-] Des@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago

it's funny how they tried to make us quake in fear over the threat of "rouge states" (aka North Korea, Iran, once Iraq, libya, now russia) all of them, besides Russia, don't have the capability of ending civilization and unlike Russia, dont have a policy specifically to do it as a big "fuck you" to the rest of the world if they don't get their way

i'm seriously, 100% scared deep in my bones israel will do a Samson-option like strike if they undergo a sudden internal collapse, which at this point is far more likely then the U.S. the U.S., while not having this policy, i do believe would absolutely do the same thing which is why i am far more leery about calls for civil war or balkanization because i fear for the rest of the world

but israel keeps me up at night. if the concept of a true "rouge state" to the international order or whatever was real every nation on earth would be forming a coalition to invade and pacify israel and use a massive combined special operations mission to secure the nukes and kill/capature all their political and military leadership. like a joint global U.N. military operation the likes the world has never seen. blockades, deployment of every anti-missile weapon system known to man, total communicaiton blackouts, and possibly even preemptive nuclear decapitation strikes with stealth cruise missiles.

whatever it takes. we unite against this threat.

but instead the west pretends this nation with 300+ secret fission-fusion weapons is moral and rational

sometimes i wonder if there is a more "realist" minority contingent in the U.S. military-political blob that is letting israel do whatever it wants and keeps them placated not out of ideological commitment to zionist but knowing they have a rabid and violent animal on a rusting chain and know they can do nothing to stop it

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[-] Wolfman86@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

Doest this man under the implications of what he is suggesting?

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

He's probably posturing but who even knows with Graham? There aren't words for someone whose role in society is as corossive as that man.

[-] Wolfman86@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

Trouble is, he might be …but some daft arse will take it seriously.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

Apparently the Reagan admin was surprised, after the cccp was destroyed, to find that the Soviets actually believed things the president of the us said in public regarding us foreign policy. I guess it just never occured to a bunch of petit boug christian fascist frauds that anyone would actually believe public statements from politicians.

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[-] disposable_cracker@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago

funny-clown-hammer solidarity holden-bloodfeast

"Nuke Palestine!"

[-] nothx@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

This ghoul is just yearning to stay relevant.

[-] Yor@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Maybe someone should do that to Lindsey Graham

[-] robinnn@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

DEATH TO AMERICA

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

Broke: US politician's call to nuke Gaza

Woke: Israeli politician's call to nuke Gaza

[-] Amoxtli@thelemmy.club 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I hate this guy, and they give this guy plenty of TV time. An American politician goes on mainstream news media talking about nuclear weapons on people. This is the type of personalities that trustworthy mainstream news media puts on air all the time. I think the American population are undergoing a wide psychological operation.

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