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Global concern rises over bird flu as experts warn of potential human pandemic (www.irishstar.com)
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[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 60 points 3 months ago

We turned the meat industry into a disease factory because that's more efficient, make sure the financial system incentives everybody in the industry to shut up and remain uncooperative with investigations and measures, rolled out the ads for people to travel all around the world so things can spread and have such an unhealthy political climate that even mentioning a risk in drinking raw milk drives up the sale of raw milk. What's the worst that can happen, right?

H5N1. High five flu. No 1 left alive

[-] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 25 points 3 months ago

Meat industry + destruction of natural habitats forcing wild animals into contact with domesticated animals or directly with humans + general climate change making the spread of diseases more easy...

The rate and intensity of pandemics is increasing and we are doing barely anything to address the root causes. Because that would mean to reduce some individuals profits and make some small adjustments to our consumption routines, while restoring nature that is sustaining us. And that is out of the question.

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

The rate and intensity of pandemics is increasing

And as usual, this was predicted, warned about, is happening and stubbornly ignored. One of those many cans kicked down the road until the pile is too big to kick and starts to blocks the road.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

The rate and intensity of pandemics is increasing

Is it? I really don't want to sound like I am downplaying this but is it increasing? People would get shit like polio and smallpox. We have had three pandemics in my life and two of them were isolated to 1-3 countries. Ebola and Sars.

[-] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

pandemic != endemic.

Polio and smallpox were endemic. They were pretty bad, but as slowly evolving diseases once we got the vaccines down, we got them under control. Pandemics are new diseases w.o. efficient resistance / medical treatments or prevention

[-] amio@kbin.run 48 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Well, surely we'll take the news of an incoming infectious disease with enormous spreading potential seriously this time(!)

[-] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 24 points 3 months ago

Russian and US propagandists are already on the loose, preparing to get people in the target countries not to follow practices like WFO or wearing masks in croweded places.

[-] Luftruessel@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Ah shit, here we go again

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 22 points 3 months ago

We had one pandemic, yes...

But what about second pandemic?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Not until you finish the first one!

[-] jupyter_rain@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 3 months ago

Alternative: "But we already have pandemic at home".

[-] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 22 points 3 months ago

Pandemic 2: Electric Bird Flu Boogaloo

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Just wait until enough MAGA heads have drunk raw milk out of pure spite and turn the bird flu into the MAGA Malady pandemic.

The first pandemic caused primarily by human stupidity...

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

The first pandemic caused primarily by human stupidity…

I was going to bring up the killing of cats right before the Black Plague of the 14th century but some searching online showed me that most historians think it was a factor but not the major factor.

So yeah I got nothing you might be right.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Yep. Cats and the Black Plague. Actually, they were a complicating factor for some. The Christians killed (primarily black) cats, as they deemed them helpers of the devil and therefor complicit in spreading the plague. The Jews, on the other side, kept cats to keep house and storage vermin-free. So the Christians thought the Jews were in league with the devil, so they killed them, too - at least that was one of the "reasons" for pogromes. And it is also a reason why there are way less black cats in Europe than colored ones. It is a crazy topic...

But even if they had not killed those cats, the Black Death would have come. Maybe it would have spread a tad slower, but not much.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Bad things are happening -> a minority caused it. All we have to is eliminate the minority and double down on ideas that failed us.

Guess humans haven't changed much. On an unrelated note a friend of mine yesterday decided to tell me about the vast conspiracy of trans people to hurt girls and I am reconsidering our relationship.

[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

My understanding is risk is low on this one as we already have a prepared and tested vaccine, and we have a known medicative treatment.

So it'd suck if it spreads but we at least have the tools to fight it on hand.

[-] Blum0108@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

Unless a large subset or the population would inexplicably refuse to get vaccinated. 🤷

[-] stangel@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Oh come on, that would never happen!

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Vaccines don't work when 1/2 the population refuses to take it.

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They sure put a damper on the spread of COVID, even with a bunch of idiots refusing to take them.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Covid had a ~5% mortality rate at the peak, H5N1 has a mortality rate of ~56%, a damper won't be enough

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Something makes me think people would be more willing to take vaccines when facing down a life or death coin flip. At that point their "concerns" over long term effects don't matter as much.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

They were facing life or death and they chose horse dewormer...

[-] Rawrx3@lazysoci.al 2 points 3 months ago

So the ignoreant will perish and the rest of us will pick up after them. Kinda sounds like climate change tbh.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

That's unfortunately not how it works.
The unvaccinated people become mutation factories and create new variants that we don't have a vaccine for yet, that's why you need a booster every year.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

I don't really see the issue with getting a booster every year provided the government doesn't fuck it up. I am already pretty much having to get a Covid and Flu each year this will just be another.

[-] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

Yes, they do, wtf. It just may not achieve herd immunity.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

The unvaccinated people become mutation factories and create new variants that we don't have a vaccine for yet, that's why you need a booster every year.
If you're vaccinated and surrounded by unvaccinated people. You may as well be unvaccinated.

[-] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If you're vaccinated and surrounded by unvaccinated people. You may as well be unvaccinated.

This is exactly what anti-vax people say. Vaccination helps, regardless.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago

Are you retarded?
Anti-vax people depend on heard immunity bullshit. My argument is that not enough people are getting vaccinated and you think that means I'm Anti-vax?
Jesus Christ I'm glad stupid isn't contagious.
Get fucked asswipe.

[-] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

Getting vaccinated helps and is advisable, regardless of whether a mutation occurs in addition to the target strain.

And yes, anti-vax people say it doesn't matter if you get vaccinated, just like you. But thanks for proving yourself to be as vapid as them, too.

[-] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Well, if this was 2018 or lower, I'd not be super worried. Post 2020 though....this is terrifying..

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Please not another one...

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

If it wasn't for everyone dying and the schools closing another lockdown wouldn't bother me much. Work from home for the most part, only drive in when I have to, no traffic when I do, see a lot more wildlife in my city, wear a mask so I don't have to smell stuff and people, no one hugging me besides my family.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

"experts warn of potential" is journalist speak for "I didn't actually read the paper"

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Oh boy, time to risk us all again. At least it'll help cull the antivaxers out a little.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I feel dirty admitting this, but this time I'm on the side of disinformation. More lives will be saved by saving our nation from the fascists. This time, I won't be trying to talk any sense into them. I want them to ignore the science and distrust medicine.

Our nation's most vulnerable groups as well as our planet's normal (non-conservative) people are on the verge of being permanently oppressed and/or exterminated. If stepping aside and allowing the oppressors to kill themselves will prevent that outcome, then we need to grow a spine and do exactly that. Let's encourage them to shrink their voting base while voting is still relevant.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

The thing about disease is that it spreads.

There are people today dealing with serious complications of COVID even years later who were infected by stupid people doing stupid selfish things.

Everyone suffers if morons become willing petri dishes.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I thought human to human transfer was very rare for this one.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

So far. But the thing with viruses is they are susceptible to mutations.

We're already seeing it jump across several mammalian lines. Probably only a matter of time.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Well the jokes on the virus since global warming is going to take me out before that happens.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

The thing about fascists is, they will kill and oppress more of us than a poorly managed disease. And it will be permanent.

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