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The legislation, which states that “protections for access to abortion rights ... should be supported," was blocked by Republicans who panned it as a "show vote."

Senate Republicans on Wednesday blocked legislation led by Democrats to revive the protections of Roe v. Wade in the wake of the Supreme Court eliminating the nationwide right to abortion.

The vote was 49-44, falling short of the super-majority needed to defeat a filibuster due to broad opposition from Republicans, who dismissed it as a political stunt.

The Reproductive Freedom for Women Act, introduced last month around the second anniversary of the court decision that overturned Roe v. Wade, is just a few sentences long. It states that “protections for access to abortion rights and other reproductive health care” after the 2022 ruling “should be supported.” It adds that “the protections enshrined in* Roe v. Wade ...* should be restored and built upon, moving towards a future where there is reproductive freedom for all.”

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[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 80 points 4 months ago

But if you vote for Republicans this election they TOTALLY will Protect Abortion!

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[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 79 points 4 months ago

Ah the old "political stunt" excuse thrown around EVERY TIME a politician does their job and engages in politics.

[-] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago

Everything is political. Likewise Everything is a political stunt.

Political stunts that remove the right to have an abortion are bad stunts. Political stunts that give the right to have an abortion are good stunts.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 18 points 4 months ago

They get to have both arguments...

"If roe was so important then Congress should make a law."

"You're just making a law for show, so no you can't have it."

They're all fucking scumbags.

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 52 points 4 months ago

The vote was 49-44, falling short of the super-majority needed to defeat a filibuster

I know the filibuster has been nerfed down to sending an email that says "I filibuster this", but why don't they actually make them work for it?

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago

They're too old now, they don't have the energy to stand and talk for hours so they just "declare" the filibuster and go home for tapioca and Gold Bond.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

All the more reason to make them work for it. If they can't stand on and defend their principles, then they need to get out of the way and at least let things come up for a vote.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The filibuster should also require the person to stay on topic, so no reading "Green eggs and ham" to run out the clock unless the book is relevant to the legislation.

Or better yet, just ditch it because requiring a majority of two chambers and the presidents signature (or overwhelming support in both chambers) is a high enough bar to meet already.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 3 points 4 months ago
[-] ExhaleSmile@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Too old to do their job? American politicians?

[-] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The reasoning was that in the old style of filibuster no other senate business was possible. In theory was supposed to help the senate be more productive. In practice, it's made the filibuster even more powerful. If a party was holding up all legislation and other functions of the senate by grandstanding for something stupid, that could hurt them politically, especially if it got bad enough that the military was being impacted or there were government shutdowns. So maybe they would think twice if it was worth a filibuster. Now they can kind of do it risk free. I think if you saw, government shutdown caused by Republicans trying to prevent abortion protections, well it'd be pretty unpopular with most Americans. And they'd pay for it in the polls. Or maybe not even do the filibuster in the first place.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 10 points 4 months ago

That makes sense. Absolutely awful reasoning, but it makes sense.

Thanks!

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago

Or, you know, fucking get rid of it

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 9 points 4 months ago

Damn you, Joe Manchin.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago
[-] ptz@dubvee.org 2 points 4 months ago

The ultimate oxymoron. I should have realized I answered my own question already lol.

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[-] Zeke@fedia.io 33 points 4 months ago

And this right here is why nothing is getting done. Go vote and not just every 4 years, but in midterms too.

[-] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 4 months ago

The vote was 49-44, falling short of the super-majority needed to defeat a filibuster

Another reason they should have ditched the filibuster when they had a chance.

[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

My question is why were 7 votes missing?

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[-] 18_24_61_b_17_17_4@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

Never ends with these pieces of shit.

[-] Freefall@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

It would be neat if they got a number of votes based on their population...

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago

That's what the house of representatives... represents.

Though California should be something like 3 states by now.

[-] macaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 months ago

If all states were represented like Wyoming is, there would be 573 reps, not 435.

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

I agree. The presumption is that us City folk wouldn't properly protect rural interest. Which is fair. But doesn't mean they deserve equal power

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Rural people dont protect city interest either. Doesn't seem like an excuse to have one person worth more than another. We all have to live here.

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Rural people are a minority. If we went 100% "just do what the majority wants" that doesn't ever work out for minorities. All minorities need protection, so there is sound intent in the design. It SHOULD work out that minority has a voice. But in practice it's pretty crappy. It needs reworked. Starting with gerrymandering.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Proportional representation gives the minority a vioce. What we have now gives the minority absolute power and 'tyrany of the minority' is not better than 'tyrany of the majority'. It was always about keeping landowners voices more powerful than other voices, and the side effect is less dense areas yield people who's votes count more.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago
[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

In the Senate (where this vote happened), every state gets two people regardless of population.

House of reps you get a number of reps based on population

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 7 points 4 months ago

Yeah, that's the point. This was blocked by Senate Republicans, you know, where the votes do not align with population.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 5 points 4 months ago

That is because the Senate is like the UN or other groups of (nation) states where each member has the equivalent number of votes. There is no reason to have a second chamber of congress if both are based on population.

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[-] Steve@communick.news 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

My first reaction was "Why wasn't this done when the decision was first leaked? Why wait 2 years?"

The Reproductive Freedom for Women Act [...] is just a few sentences long. It states that “protections for access to abortion rights and other reproductive health care” [...] “should be supported.” It adds that “the protections enshrined in Roe v. Wade ... should be restored and built upon, moving towards a future where there is reproductive freedom for all.”

That's not the language of writing laws. It's completely vague and unenforceable. It really is just a political stunt for an election year.

Why is it so hard to make a real law to actually do this!?

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[-] Steve@communick.news 8 points 4 months ago

Well, that makes me feel a little better.

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Yeah the history of this is long and complicated. This piece goes into a lot more detail about the various attempts on both sides to put abortion into federal legislation (both for and against), including a review of the political situations that led to and resulted from each effort. One of the more interesting threads is this one:

After [Joe] Biden joined the Senate in 1973, he voted for a failed constitutional amendment that would have allowed states to overturn the court’s Roe ruling. In a Washingtonian magazine interview at the time, he said of Roe: “I think it went too far. I don’t think that a woman has the sole right to say what should happen to her body.” But times changed, and so did he. In a 2007 book, Biden said he had arrived at a “middle-of-the-road position on abortion.” In 2008, he described Roe as “close to a consensus that can exist in a society as heterogeneous as ours.” As Obama’s vice president, Biden said the government had no “right to tell other people that women, they can’t control their own body.”

The cultural center of gravity on this issue has changed dramatically since the 1970s. There were pro choice voices in both parties for many decades, but with very few exceptions those voices have migrated into the Democratic Party, which gives it a more unified and consistent stance on the issue.

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