See This Red Area? This Is *Sand* : map

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 77 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

the only reason republicans win is because you allow your land to vote. it's unbelievable.

[-] TheFuzz@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago

I like to point out that cows don’t vote.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

The land they're on does though.

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

They should.

[-] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

I agree, but Earth's solarpunk phase doesn't start for another few millennia. We're still in the era where factory farms still exist.

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

They can vote from the farms. One pound of meat equals one hundredth of a vote.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 36 points 1 month ago

[Grerrymandering intensifies]

[-] alphapuggle@programming.dev 32 points 1 month ago

Frankly both of these maps are deceptive (though the top one is albeit more so). The dot gets colored the primary color in that region, and visually makes the Democrats seem way more dominant when it's much more bipartisan. A gradient would make this map better

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago

Yep, each area needs two dots, one red, one blue, sized proportional to their votes.

Florida will get quite a bit bluer, but California and the northeast will get much redder.

[-] fogstormberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago

the jpeg makes a lot of the smaller dots look grey too

[-] souless@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Yes, all it takes is small critical details to influence the desired reception of a presentation of data. A goal of a good map or any statistical based representation is not to operate as means of propaganda, but rather by letting the viewer decide the correlation based on making the actual data easy to understand without deceiving in an appealing way.

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

those are the people that control the food supply we need them on our side

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nah, most of it is owned by Bill Gates and a handful of conglomerates.

The people actually living there don't typically control or own much more than the serfs of Imperial Russia. Maybe that's why they love the shirtless guy who wants to be Tsar so much? 🤷

[+] Apytele@sh.itjust.works -19 points 1 month ago

Without them it doesn't get harvested.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 45 points 1 month ago

Farmers say they’re having trouble hiring enough people to work during harvest season, causing some crops to rot before they can be picked. [...] The ongoing battle about U.S. immigration policies is blamed for the shortage. The vast majority of California’s farm workers are foreign born, with many coming from Mexico.

https://fortune.com/2017/08/08/immigration-worker-shortage-rotting-crops/

This is who is doing the harvesting.

[+] Apytele@sh.itjust.works -16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Then what do you think those people do? They're not all out there being homeless, you can't be homeless in the country like you can in the city. They're mostly ag workers OR in industries that support ag like equipment repair and large animal vets. The high school I went to literally had classes on animal husbandry because a bunch of us were expected to wind up doing that. Stop disrespecting these people then wondering why they take up with someone who can at least fake it. There might be more immigrants but those are still people who do jobs that are important and a big part of the reason that they support dumb shit is because dems don't look out for them either. They enact ecological policies (which are important) but without placing restrictions on corporate farming to prevent them from getting pushed out by not being able to compete. That's how they get talked into shit that "supports small businesses" even if it's bullshit.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 18 points 1 month ago

That doesn't mean their vote should count more than people in the cities.

The problem is that they get a double bonus on the national stage because of the Senate AND the disproportionate representation in the House due to it being capped at 435 members. This means they have an outsized influence on all three branches. Electoral College for president, Senate AND House because of the House being capped at 435 members, and the nomination process for justices including SCOTUS.

If the House was truly proportional to population it would be better. Making the second place in the presidential election the vice president again would be even better since they can break the ties in the Senate. If the presidential election was changed just straight up popular vote that would make it so the only advantage for a state is the Senate and that would be plenty.

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

THAT is the part of this that makes some sense. I would argue that instead we need to enfranchise all the inmates and immigrants THEN rebalance, however.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago

We can do all of that at the same time!

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 33 points 1 month ago

Lol Americans don't do harvesting. I'm from Iowa. They literally ship illegal immigrants in on busses to harvest, I've seen it first hand. Why I'm shocked any farmer would vote Republican, it'll financially destroy most individual farms having to hire legal help

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I know this is an issue in a lot of places but they do where I grew up. Farm kid on meth throwing a weighted psych ward chair through a plexiglass window is practically a meme on my unit it happens so often. They have to do the meth to keep up then they wind up psychotic but still with all that muscle mass from the manual labor. It's a gotdamn mess every single time. One of them was in restraints for three months straight.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I have a friend who worked at a farm and she did harvest work at a farm in MA until she moved to a new place and got a job at a flower shop two years ago.

[-] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

This is one of those things that is probably always going to be anecdotal. Some people will definitely know people who have done the harvesting themselves, and because of the fact that the alternative is illegal, we'll likely never be able to get accurate data on the prevalence of illegal immigrants doing the harvesting.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Oh yes it's absolutely an anecdote. I simply needed to refute a generalization. Every rule has its exceptions.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 18 points 1 month ago

Most of the work is done by immigrants anyway

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The aforementioned profiteers are probably trying to change that, though, Amazon style.

[-] criitz@reddthat.com 15 points 1 month ago

We are all interdependent

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

correct

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The majority of the produce for the United States is grown in the Central Valley in California.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah I don't think how much of the Midwest and South is corn. Corn that we don't even need, that old ag bills that said "the government will buy it even if we don't need it"

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

Something something farmers

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I don't like sand.

[+] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de -24 points 1 month ago

Counterpoint: the vote is near to 50/50 and neither of those maps look anywhere close to 50/50. Come back when you've got an alternative that looks proportional, not equally bad just the other way.

[-] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 24 points 1 month ago

Second map looks 50/50 to me, the red is just more spread out. The needs more jpeg probably doesn’t help

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago

The other thread has a gif with less jpg

https://lemmy.world/comment/11287470

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