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[-] sodalite@slrpnk.net 92 points 11 months ago
[-] Haggunenons@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

For anyone interested, we have a community about this! !digitalbioacoustics@lemmy.world

[-] LouSpooner@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago
[-] yesman@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Only humans have language. Inter-species communication is nothing special. Rattlesnakes are named for their ability to communicate cross species.

[-] blackluster117@possumpat.io 61 points 11 months ago

"Either back it up or get fucked up."

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 11 months ago

curious how it's always humans saying that they're the only ones who have language..

[-] Droechai@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

it's only humans capable of the sub communication protocol called English that says that

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

No other languages have evolved to say that.

[-] Droechai@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Exactly, other languages would use something like "Det är bara människan som utvecklat tal" or "Es ist nur der Mensch, der die Sprache entwickelt hat" depending on language

[-] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

Only humans have language.

Animal language.

[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They identified nouns and adjectives in prairie dog communication, that also seems to vary with regional dialects. I'll try to remember to dig up a source when I'm not out and about later.

Edit: here's a not fully scientific link, but has names and links for people who want to go deeper in the science while being a decent lay person's overview.

Yes, the blog name isn't very scientific looking (I have not read anything else on it). https://thehumanevolutionblog.com/2015/08/18/a-career-studying-the-sophisticated-vocabulary-of-prairie-dogs/

And here's a peer reviewed study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003347205801174

[-] tamal3@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Weren't science communicators talking about parts of speech in whale communication last year, too? They're using AI to identify patterns and variations in speech.

Here's a general (though older) overview of whale language: https://www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/the-language-of-whales

Here's a more recent article taking about using AI to identify patterns in speech: https://scitechdaily.com/ai-decodes-sperm-whale-language-revealing-a-complex-system-of-communication/

[-] Murdeth@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I appreciate your disclaimers and context of your sources.

[-] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What is this strange group on Lemmy that is so anti animal intelligence?

[-] na_th_an@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

A rattlesnake can certainly communicate using sound, but is that language? Bright colors can communicate ideas of "do not eat this" across species as well, but they wouldn't fit my mental model of a language.

[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

what is language than making sounds to convey meaning and then decoding said sounds to understand their meaning

human language is incredibly complex but a bee just buzzing a particular buzz that means "bear nearby" counts as a valid form of linguistic communication imo

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Bees actually dance to communicate and it's considered a language 😄

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

Koko the gorilla would beg to differ

[-] Droechai@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

Just gonna drop this, I haven't done a deep dive in sources thoufh

https://youtu.be/e7wFotDKEF4?si=earmcx6FpV4PLDfN

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

Don't leave your SI lying around like that

[-] Shawdow194@kbin.run 25 points 11 months ago

Well it makes sense

A slow tempo is... slow. A quick tempo is upbeat and attracts attention

[-] higgsboson@dubvee.org 1 points 11 months ago

If you walk without rhythm, you won't attract the worm.

[-] Emmie@lemm.ee 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Why do we use sound hmmm all over the world when thinking about something? Was there just first proto language that had all these onomatopoeias built in or were they invented independently because they excite neurons in same way, mood regardless of culture?

[-] occhionaut@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Maybe its for a similar reason to why cats purr; vibration make brain feel different in a way that facilitates thought?

source im fuckin g insame

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

that's the sound of our brains venting the thinking gas

[-] flora_explora@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago

Maybe it also has to do with the human anatomy? Like, when people are thinking they probably have their mouth closed and maybe even purse their lips. The sound you can make in this pose is really just hmm I guess.

OK yeah, the next question would then be why we use certain facial expressions...

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sign language is even more universal (early hominids def would've had signs before proper spoken language).

If I hold out my arm, my palm towards you, you'd probably know what I mean.

Like this.

[-] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago

That you're a ~~cop~~ businessman?

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago
[-] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 11 months ago

I watch as kitty run towards me, I say gogogo and kitty run faster

[-] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 15 points 11 months ago

I do this to cats I see and they say "No." and sit down.

[-] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago

My cat follows all my commands. I say "ignore me and do nothing else I say" and he ignores me and continues with his day.

No,but I use similar tempos to call him and he comes.

[-] propter_hog@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

So you're telling me that when a cat chirps when it sees a bird through the window, it's really saying "here, birdie birdie birdie" to it?

[-] Icalasari@fedia.io 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nah, it's trying to imitate the bird and is going, "No cat here, only friend" (in terms of purpose. In reality, the cat just knows birds with y appearance come to x sound, so make x sound to make y bird maybe come, the cat doesn't understand the mechanics, just that it works)

Cats do have limited mimicry abilities - It's probably why there are so many videos of cats "speaking" human words - adapting that mostly unused mimicry skill to get the human's attention with sounds it notices humans use to get the attention of other humans

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago

Cats do have limited mimicry abilities

Meows are supposedly mimicking human baby noises, definitely works to get our attention!

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