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[-] ShaunaTheDead@fedia.io 145 points 11 months ago

Quantum mechanics unveils the spaghetti code on which our universe runs

[-] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago

String theory… further proof that breaking your spaghetti violates the fundamental laws of the universe.

[-] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

breaking your spaghetti

This angers the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[-] applebusch@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I just want to say that string theory is in all likelihood complete bullshit and I'm tired of people acting like it's not.

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[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 11 months ago

i can't wait to see the source comments

"this should NOT work, yet it does, if you touch this i will flay you alive"

[-] argh_another_username@lemmy.ca 17 points 11 months ago

This is beautiful, it’s poetry.

[-] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 84 points 11 months ago

Just because you know how something works doesn't make it not magic

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

If you understand how quantum mechanics works, why are you keeping it a secret?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

Out of pure spite.

[-] JayDee@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If you understand magnets you know how magic works. Hell, even aerofoils seem like a glitch in reality.

[-] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

The dictionary disagrees with you.

[-] lath@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

That's because it's a dic.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 11 points 11 months ago

Sorry, but higher literature (DnD rulebooks) disagree with YOU

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[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

The dictionary sucks.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

Any sufficiently analysed magic is indistinguishable from science!

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Even magic itself loses its magic when you know how it works.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 10 points 11 months ago

Does it, really? Or is it "magic" all the way down...? :-D

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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 66 points 11 months ago

As a matter of fact, reality is far more exciting than magic. Magic is limited by what our feeble human minds can dream up. Science has shown time and time again that reality is far more complex and far more interesting.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The difference between magic and science is that magic is centered on humans in the way that the entire cosmos was once thought to rotate around Earth. Both a magical universe and a scientific universe contain rules that humans can discover and tools that humans can use to influence their environment, but a magical universe is for humans and about humans whereas a scientific universe is not even indifferent to humans.

I admit that it would be nice to have gods and even the very fabric of reality care about what I want...

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 22 points 11 months ago

Sorry, hon. The magical universe may SEEM to be centered around you, but you're really just experiencing the side benefits of it being centered around me.

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[-] modifier@lemmy.ca 31 points 11 months ago

As a former evangelical Christian, the natural universe we inhabit is magical and exciting and fascinating in a way that it simply isn't when you believe it was the creation of an all-powerful God as basically a training ground for Heaven or whatever.

There is so much more to learn and understand. It is fucking awesome!

[-] applebusch@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

As someone raised by Christians I'm glad you made it out too.

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[-] orbitz@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

I do agree but if you wanted to make to case for 'God' they could have made sure some of their creatures evolved to understand his work, assuming they did it in a logical way. I'm not a person with faith but just try and think a way is possible, though usually trying to understand weird comic and media universe type actions.

We are the way for a universe to understand itself (paraphrased from Sagan). Though his writing is much more interesting than this comment. I just think there's room for belief if it works for people, but not for the strict literal interpretations that many seem to believe.

[-] modifier@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

That Sagan phrase inspired me to adapt a Descartes principle:

Because I am conscious, the universe is conscious.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 months ago

A horse walks into a bar, and the bartender says "Say, you're in here a lot, are you maybe an alcoholic?"

The horse says "I don't think I am." and immediately vanishes.

I would have said at the start that it was going to be a Descartes joke, but that would have been putting Descartes before de horse

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[-] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

God doesn’t play with dice
-Einstein

Tada!
-God

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 29 points 11 months ago

If I watch too much fantasy world or read about it too immersively , I think about how all of their powers are normal to them. Light, fire, storms, electricity, the states of water, tides, giraffes, etc., they're all magical. We've just named them and have ways to describe how they work in an orderly, understandable, format.

[-] Baguette@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago

Ah yes the giraffe, the most magical being

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[-] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A good illusion is still spectacular even when the illusion is broken. The magical world was boring to begin with.

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[-] refalo@programming.dev 24 points 11 months ago

Science is just a stepping stone to philosophy.

Actually, all roads lead to philosophy.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

Philosophy is just science, except without the requirement that things align with reality.

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 11 months ago

its funny to me, the existence of science being something as mundane as "rubbing three moderately flat surfaces against each other in succession will inevitably produce a flat plane as it is the only functional outcome for that problem"

opposed to the incredibly complex and intricate technicalities of steel smelting, and even beyond that, casting properly.

and then also, we know why cicadas make so much noise, it's really simple. Just a little bit (ok well a lot of bit) of constructive interference. But actually, we also have no fucking clue how they manage to count such long periods of prime duration reliably and consistently.

There's also the technicality of being able to explain how molecule level physics works, but then not being able to comprehend molecule scale physics in something like biology until recently.

I'm convinced that science is just reverse engineering the universe. Eventually, one day, we will figure out how to create an entire universe, and we will.

Science is the ultimate version of philosophy.

[-] dogsoahC@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago

Science shows us why the world is excting and lets us find even more exciting things. That beings said, it's still a funny joke.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago

The woo doctor says there's fairies in the garden and unicorns in the forest, and never shows them to me. The biologist says there's birds the size of your thumb that flap their wings so fast they become a buzzy blur, and there's huge winged creatures that fly through the ocean called "Manta rays." He shows me pictures and specimens of both.

The woo doctor says my fever is caused by a lack of yellow bile, eat this dandelion it's yellow. The physician says my fever is caused by an infection of tiny creatures inside my body, look you can see them if you look at this snot sample under a microscope. We have a chemical that kills these organisms called antibiotics, eat those and you'll get better.

The woo doctor says the dot in the sky he thinks of as the god of time has traveled into the crab part of the sky so I probably shouldn't make any big decisions this week. The astronomer looked through a bunch of old records, noticed a pattern, and predicted the next appearance of a comet down to the finest detail, years in advance.

The woo doctor says things that can burn are full of a substance called phlogiston, which is released by fire into the air, which can only hold so much phlogiston. The chemist says it's hydrocarbons or carbohydrates combusting into carbon dioxide and water vapor, and proves it by burning a variety of things and condensing water from the vapors that emerge. He's built way better lamps and is starting to build these powerful engines based on his techniques.

The woo doctor tells fun stories sometimes I guess. The scientist has all the actual cool stuff.

[-] Gloomy@mander.xyz 5 points 11 months ago

The woo doctor says there's fairies in the garden and unicorns in the forest, and never shows them to me. The biologist says there's birds the size of your thumb that flap their wings so fast they become a buzzy blur, and there's huge winged creatures that fly through the ocean called "Manta rays." He shows me pictures and specimens of both.

This sounds so much like a writing prompt.

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

All basically being bubbles of probability where a field of energy exists, in a seething universe of virtual particles (fields) coming into existence and getting annihilated by it's anti-part again.

The "universe of whirling chaos, birthing existence" i've seen in some Manga as origin story of gods, doesn't seem so far fetched now.

[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 9 points 11 months ago

I dont care about particles moving through walls because of science, i want to move through walls by yelling a word because of magic

[-] popemichael@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 11 months ago

The rules for magic and the rules of existence in most fictional universes are significantly more defined (and, arguably, more solid) than the rules for science and existence in this world.

Even the brush off of "Its magic. I don't have to explain it," at least indicates that SOMEONE understands the effect and its relative existence.

If you find 5 people who say that they fully understand a single branch of science then I'd bet all of my money in my pocket that you found them in a padded recovery room sans shoe laces.

[-] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I always like the comparisons to how magical our world would seem to someone in an alternate reality where transistors or maybe even electricity wasn't a thing.

Like you can dumb it down to really magical sounding things like calling a cpu "runes etched in sand".

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 11 months ago

this makes me think of the meme about time traveling an awing everyone and they ask but what is electricity to the average joe guy

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[-] homura1650@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Quantum mechanics is not magic. Magic specifies the outcome, but not how a system evolves to reach that outcome. Quantum mechanics has precise equations describing how a system will evolve over time, but is famously bad at describing the outcome.

By the same token, we can see that thermodynamics and conservation laws, while widely accepted, are magic. I have heard legend of a deeper magic known as "Lagragians", although knowledge of that lost art remains confines to the warlocks' ivory tower.

https://xkcd.com/2904/

[-] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago

For those in the unknowing state: https://existentialcomics.com/

[-] Jungeneny@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 11 months ago

Every coin has two side, uh....

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