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[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 271 points 1 month ago

The story does not tell us how Linus Torvalds responded to the NSA, but I’m guessing he told them he wouldn’t be able to inject backdoors even if he wanted to, since the source code is open, and all changes to it are reviewed by many independent people.

Yeah I'm guessing the answer would be more colorful based on the historical data we have

[-] reisub@discuss.tchncs.de 126 points 1 month ago
[-] bitfucker@programming.dev 105 points 1 month ago

There aren't enough swear-words in the English language, so now I'll have to call you perkeleen vittupää just to express my disgust and frustration with this crap.

Beautiful

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 33 points 1 month ago

It's like our very own Gordon Ramsay

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 month ago

Also experience shows that it's possible to backdoor software in very subtle ways that could go years without anyone spotting them. So if he had decided to he probably could have done it, despite Linux being open source.

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

I would pay money to see daddy Linus flip off some big shot intelligence official

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Oh man would die to see his reply. It would probably start with something like

"The fact that I have to explain this to a person who works in a national security agency makes me really worried..."

[-] Tixanou@lemm.ee 125 points 1 month ago

Ohh so it's the NSA that my failed sudos are reported to!

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 15 points 1 month ago

Recent versions of sudo changed that message and now I'm sad 😢

[-] amongstthetrees@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

Damn, I'm going to miss those messages one day on my Debian stable server.

[-] fernlike3923@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

Switch to doas so feds don't get any more reports!

[-] sntx@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago

nah, we have run0 at home

[-] Icalasari@fedia.io 116 points 1 month ago

I somehow misread that as NBA, and was very confused what basketball had to do with OS backdoors

NSA makes

WAY more sense

[-] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 month ago

Michel jordan want to look at your browser history :D

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Nope this has Kareem written all over it

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[-] IllNess@infosec.pub 11 points 1 month ago

A OS backdoor is very simular to a backdoor cut, which allows a player to sneak behind defenders when they are focused on the ball or player with a ball.

NBA coaches have taken inspiration from many different places to perfect their plays. Computer security is just another step.

[-] chottomatte@lemdro.id 11 points 1 month ago

I read it NASA at first

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[-] Hugin@lemmy.world 104 points 1 month ago

Years ago there was a commit to the Linux kernal that strangly had no author. This got some attention of several of the developers.

Looking into the code that had to deal with network transmission. there was a section that if you tried to get network access in a unusual way had a check that was written something like this.

If (usr_permission = ROOT) ... Instead of If (usr_permission == ROOT) ...

The first giving the user root if invoked and the second checking to see if the user was root.

It's widely thought this was the NSA or some other intelligence agency trying to backdoor lin Linux.

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago

The other side of that coin is the NSA developing SELinux

[-] brianorca@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

This is because NSA has two roles: eavesdropping on foreign adversaries, and protecting our internal systems from adversaries. Under the first role, they might introduce an exploit known only to themselves. Under the second, they help protect US systems from exploits known to others.

[-] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

And because of this it makes whatever they fuck with have unnecessary security issues.

Also though they are using it to straight up spy on you whether foreign or not. They got in "trouble" for it once and pinky swore not to do it again.

Fuck the NSA

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago

Or it could of been any person or country. It was a nothing burger and is still a nothing burger

[-] Hugin@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It was clearly an attack. By who is unknown.

Notably this was in 2003 before git (2005) so linux source was in a central bitkeeper repo. So a commit with no associated data about who did it should not have been possible.

Here is a more detailed article. https://lwn.net/Articles/57135/

[-] desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago

speaking in burger terms as any good american

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[-] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 98 points 1 month ago

This incident will be reported

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 64 points 1 month ago

he wouldn’t be able to inject backdoors even if he wanted to, since the source code is open

Jia Tan has entered the chat

[-] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

The project contains binary blobs anyway so theoretically it wouldn't be super hard

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 month ago

But nobody's going to give them any sentence for that unfortunately.

[-] awiteb@lemmy.4rs.nl 48 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't be surprised if I knew that the backdoors that appear in Windows were designed by someone. I didn't know they were this brazen.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 25 points 1 month ago
[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Yeah, when the actual mobo and cpu can be taken over remotely, what does the OS even matter?

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[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

I didn't know they were this brazen.

Oh boy i remember when i was this innocent

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[-] einkorn@feddit.org 15 points 1 month ago

For what? Destabilizing the whole technological ecosystem of the planet is not a crime. ¯\(ツ)

[-] ragica@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 month ago

As long as the backdoor is licenced GPL what's the problem?

[-] scorp@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 month ago

good thing he's not an American citizen

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Except he is. He lives in portland now afaik

[-] scorp@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago
[-] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Here's where Linus did/said the thing. (He is the second person from the right.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gRsgkdfYJ8

[-] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

When was the last analysis of the linux kernel source code ?

[-] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

If you want t see Mr. Torvalds questioning this in the video in the link, go straight to minute 43.

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[-] fart_pickle@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Circa 1975, IBM proposed the cipher now called DES, the Data Encryption Standard. It became a worldwide standard for secret key encryption. As IBM originally designed it, DES had a 64-bit key. The National Security Agency (NSA) required that the key be reduced from 64 bits to 56 bits, with the other 8 bits used as a checksum. This made no sense. If a checksum were really needed, then the key could be increased from 64 to 72 bits. It was widely believed that the real reason the NSA made this demand was that it knew how to crack messages using a 56-bit key, but not messages using a 64-bit key. This proved to be true.

Secret Key Cryptography by Frank Rubin

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 7 points 1 month ago

Lol good year for the NSA

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