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[-] el_eh_chase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Knowing the incompetence of Microsoft is making me re-think my pro-nuclear stance...maybe it should be banned.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Welcome to Full Dystopia.

[-] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 29 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Don't get me wrong, nuclear energy is good. It's just being used to power AI. That's a waste. It's being used so a corporation can profit, not to power homes. It's being used to potentially replace humans, who need less power to function and whose power consumption cannot already be avoided anyway.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 6 points 6 hours ago

The fucking timeline we’re in

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 25 points 12 hours ago

I did not expect there to be so many "nuclear is scary!" idiots here.

[-] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 0 points 2 hours ago

I live in Italy. I may even trust nuclear power (even though I'm not sure if waste management has improved), I don't trust actual human beings handling contracts, funds, and maintenance.

A bridge collapsed in Genoa, killing 43 people, splitting the city in two, and crippling the economy because Autostrade per l'Italia skirted the pesky issue of maintenance.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

And yet I bet you're not up in arms about every bridge ever built.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Unfortunately it's like the lottery, and fear of flying. You can explain the odds and the history until you're blue in the face but it doesn't mean anything when somebody sees a documentary and it fills their whole psyche with terror. And you can try to explain that there are safer plant designs out there and that being careful about where you put a plant is a big deal, but the only thing they're going to walk away from the conversation with is Chernobyl, Fukushima in Three Mile Island.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I hadn't realized until I hung out on a Europe forum that anti-nuclear-power positions are very strong in Germany with the center-left.

Western Austria also has a history here. At one point, they infamously built an entire nuclear power plant -- which is where the real costs of nuclear power come from -- and then shut it down via a referendum driven by the anti-nuclear-power crowd before ever actually using it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwentendorf_Nuclear_Power_Plant

The Zwentendorf Nuclear Power Plant was the first commercial nuclear plant for electric power generation built in Austria, of three nuclear plants originally envisioned. Construction of the plant at Zwentendorf was finished but the plant never entered service. The start-up of the Zwentendorf plant, as well as the construction of the other two plants, was prevented by a referendum on 5 November 1978, in which a narrow majority of 50.47% voted against the start-up.[1][2]

The plant was purchased by Austrian energy company EVN Group in 2005; it is used as a security training centre[6] and leased for filming, photography, and other events.[7] In 2025, it will be used as the training ground for ENRICH European Robotics Hackathon.[8]

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Yeah and lemmy is more European leaning than I'm used to. There's a huge European contingent

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 69 points 15 hours ago

I know certain sentiments are coming, so I'll put this here: Three Mile Island wasn't the unmitigated disaster that fearmongers would have you believe. It was an ultimately harmless accident that was highly publicized because of poor communication and irresponsible sensationalist journalism.

More on the topic: https://youtu.be/cL9PsCLJpAA

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

I thought the Netflix show was pretty clear it wasn't as bad as popular history made it out to be.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 21 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Posted this earlier:

A poof of radioactive steam let loose. That's it, the whole incident. People freaked out on March 28, 1979.

In totally unrelated news, The China Syndrome, a popular movie about a reactor meltdown, came out March 16, 1979.

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 37 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

It was actually a success story. It failed safe, as designed.

Unfortunately "The China Syndrome" really pumped up anti-nuclesr sentiment.

TMI was the opposite of Chernobyl.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Heh, you see my posts? That movie came out not 2-weeks ahead of 3-Mile. Freaky isn't it?

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 32 points 15 hours ago

Yep. And underscoring that more than almost anything else is the fact that the TMI facility continued to operate without incident for forty years after that accident.

[-] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 14 hours ago

"Nuclear" sounds scary but it doesn't have to be and generally isn't. There are currently 94 active nuclear reactors in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_the_United_States

IMHO, the correct take on " uses enormous amounts of energy" is "yes, we do need to invest more in renewable and clean energy". Anyone who didn't have their head in the sand could have known that last century. This is only a problem now because our political leaders have failed us, year after year, decade after decade.

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

“Nuclear” sounds scary

Related, unfun fact: MRI used to be called NMRI, Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imaging, because it used the nuclear magnetic resonance phenomenon (literally a nuclear vibe check), but people were so afraid of the word "nuclear" that it was dropped.

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago

Small addendum, there's 94 commercial reactors that are generating power for the grid

But there's a few dozen more active nuclear reactors that exist for things like training and research.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_research_reactors#United_States

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

And then there's like 80 reactors moving around the world, docking in our ports.

[-] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 13 hours ago

Thank you for the clarification!

[-] MissJinx@lemmy.world 39 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

A nuclear plant is not a bad thing, that's one of the cleanest eneegy sources BUT being Microsoft I'm glad it's at least on an island

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

A nuclear plant is not a bad thing

This specific one famously is.

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 21 points 16 hours ago

It's on an island, yes. In a river, ten kilometres from a dense urban region.

And it's the site that an American president came closest to dying in a nuclear explosion! (I mean that's not why it's notable, but it's a fun fact anyways.)

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[-] burt@programming.dev 8 points 14 hours ago

I live near enough to TMI that a catastrophic event would be severely detrimental to my health, but I see this as a good thing (if you can call AI good). Clean, safe energy, and jobs for people in an area that needs jobs, win-win.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 8 points 15 hours ago

This is just begging for a kernel memory space access joke...

[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 5 points 15 hours ago

You can see the cooling towers from the highway. It's not secluded.

[-] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

ELI5 please why they don't just put their server farms in a desert, roofed with solar panels and a big-bum battery?

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

Turning off the server farm once the sun goes down would be inconvenient.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

The Susquehanna River that Three Mile Island sits on offers virtually unlimited fresh cold water for cooling the server farm.

[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 hours ago

Fucking up the temperature downstream; global warming baby! But who needs that ecosystem? It's survive or die, and that includes the beavers! Down with trees, up with fleas(markets)!

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 4 points 11 hours ago

Total ecological collapse is a small price to pay to boost shareholders' wealth by 0.1%!

line must go up

[-] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 9 hours ago

And it flows into Chesapeake bay after passing by Peach Bottom nuke plant, where unannounced inspections have revealed everyone sleeping.

At one time, farmers used to grow popcorn on 3MI. Post-incident, pets were born with deformities on the York County side, harder to tell with the humans there.

We won't go into the time I drove into Indian Point during the day and found no one in attendance. No guards, gates open, etc.

I drove all over the plant. Took a while to find anyone, and that person was annoyed at my needing to make a delivery, but there was no one at the dock.

I'm not on either side, but if you read an article about nukes, someone paid for it, pro or con.

It's not that simple.

[-] SuperIce@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Because you want data centers to be closer to the users for speed.

[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 6 points 14 hours ago

Transit latency is a tiny tiny fraction of the round trip time for AI processing tasks. Until AI tasks are in the order of milliseconds instead of seconds it's a rounding error.

[-] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

Doesn't that depend on the application?

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Cool. Nothing could possibly go wrong.

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