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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago

I understood all of that.

That's what half a year of city college will get you.

[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 hours ago

I don't read much (/any) academic writing, but does it really misuse words the way the link portrays?

Eg

  • academic writing isn't prose, like that's almost the definition of prose.
  • intra-specialized doesn't mean anything (the intra prefix didn't work on adjectives)
  • "obfuscating ... accessibility" means making it difficult to see that it is accessible, where the author probably actually wants to say "reducing the ability of outsiders to access the meaning"

I get that it is satire, but imo it would be better satire if he put in the work to actually make it mean something. Unless the point is that academic writers misuse thesauruses this badly.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 hours ago

I think the point is that academic writers use large terms, despite using them wrong, when diminutive ones would suffice.

They use big words for the sake of using big words. Whether they make any sense whatsoever, is entirely beside the point.

The text, as I understand it is essentially saying the same thing, using big words to obfuscate that they're actually saying something rather boring and simple, which also has the point of obfuscating the meaning of the text to anyone who isn't an academic; aka someone who isn't used to such nonsensical word play.

There's a good reason I've avoided any work in academic fields. They incorrectly use terms, which just muddies the water on what the hell they're actually saying. Not only because the terms are big/less known, but because they're often used wrong.

IMO, academics are morons who like to sound smart.

... Do you concur?

[-] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago

It's saying that it uses terminology that is well-understood, specific and explicit within the field, but depends on a common understanding of the language used. So people outside the field are unable to understand it, even though they would be able to understand the actual concepts.

[-] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I think the meaning of the actual words that he chose is less important than the fact that it sounds absurdly convoluted.

Also I don't think his point is true. If you read academic papers come up most of them are pretty easy to understand.

[-] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 12 hours ago

I'm still pissed at being forced to write in a passive voice in university. It's awkward and carries less information, and makes it seem like nobody had any agency, science just kind of happened on its own and you were there to observe it.

I don't know why anyone would prefer something like "An experiment was conducted and it was found that..."

To the much better "We conducted an experiment and found..."

[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 2 points 3 hours ago

That also sounds odd to me. I've been consistently taught in school to avoid passive voice and it was a huge struggle for me for a long time (case in point). I'm attending a college in Canada for the record.

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, it's dumb. We write like normal people in academic papers too. I don't know why they ever taught it this way.

[-] NostraDavid@programming.dev 37 points 13 hours ago

I asked ChatGPT to convert the text to common words:

"Academic writing is often hard to understand because it uses complicated words specific to a particular field, making it easier for experts to communicate with each other but harder for outsiders to follow. This keeps certain knowledge limited to a small group of people and maintains a cycle where only the educated or 'in' crowd can fully engage, while others are left out."

[-] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 hours ago

I think this leaves out the "epistemological imperative", which I understand as the compulsion to use this specific language for the sake of being scientifically accurate. Particularly when dealing with peers, who will all too readily hold you accountable for inaccuracies, being precise is important, possibly even necessary to avoid the scientific community's habit of tearing into any error to prove their own proficiency by showing up your deficiency.

I can't find my source any more, unfortunately, but I read an article once about how students are essentially scared to have their writing torn to shreds because they were too direct in their assertions. I recall that it related an anecdote about birds on a movie set that were supposed to all fly away at the sound of a gunshot. Except they tried to fly away beforehand, so the solution was to tie them to the branch and release that wire when they were supposed to fly. Then the birds tried anyway, didn't get anywhere, ended up hanging upside down and falling unconscious. When they tried again (after restoring the birds to consciousness), they released the wire... but the birds had learned that trying to fly away was unpleasant, so they just sat there instead. Why bother, if you go nowhere?

In the same manner, academics who write too clearly will end up getting bad grades, have papers rejected, essentially be punished for it. They may learn that, by carefully coaching their assertions, assumptions or just about anything that could be conceived as a statement of facts in a multi-layered insulation of qualifying statements and vague circumscriptions to avoid saying something wrong and show the acknowledgement that, like science in general, the causation they're ascribing this phenomenon to is at best an educated guess and, while we can narrow down things that are not true, we can never be certain that things we assume are true really are and won't be refuted somewhere down the line, making them look like morons...

I lost track of the sentence. Anyway, if you make mistakes, you'll get attacked. Most people don't like being attacked. So if you've been attacked enough, eventually you'll either give up or adopt strategies to avoid being attacked.

Being complex and obscure in your phrasing makes it harder to attack you. And if it's hard to understand you, people might just skim the points and not bother with the attackable details anway. If you notice that people who write in a difficult style don't get attacked as much or as badly, you'll adopt that style too.

Eventually, your writing is read by students stepping to fill your shoes. They may not understand why you write this way, but they see that many successful academics do. They may also experience the same attacks and come to the same conclusion. Either way, your caution has inspired a new generation of academic writers who will continue that trend.

Finally you'll end up with a body of scientific knowledge that only experts can still navigate. They know to skim past the vagueness, indirections and qualifications, mostly understand the terms and can take the time to pick apart the details if something strikes them as odd. The common rube doesn't understand jack shit. Your research may further the understanding of a small group of people, possibly see some practical use, but the general public can't directly make any use of it.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 6 points 13 hours ago
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[-] uis@lemm.ee 8 points 13 hours ago

Reminds about GCC wiki.

What does reload do?

Good question. The what is still understandable. Don't ask about the how.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 14 hours ago

"You just said a bunch of big words I don't understand, so imma take it as disrespect."

[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

I am unable to differentiate between the signal and the ambient stochastic background.

[-] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 22 hours ago

you know the academic jargon is bad when you can translate it into french and the sentence is almost the exact same

[-] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

French scholars are famous for their mastery of obscurantism. That's what this is called.

[-] kielimieli@r-sauna.fi 2 points 12 hours ago

Oh don't even get me started about french philosophers - philosophy in general is very guilty of this, but french are absolutely the worst. Entire books of complete jargon where the point seems to be to sound as fancy as possible without as little content as possible

[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

or as Freud put it:

“So, I gave my lecture yesterday. Despite the lack of preparation, I spoke quite well and without hesitation, which I ascribe to the cocaine I had taken before hand. I told about my discoveries in brain anatomy, all very difficult things that the audience certainly did not understand, but all that matters is that they get the impression that I understand it.”

[-] AreaSIX@lemm.ee 86 points 1 day ago
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 22 points 1 day ago

I hadn't actually considered academic writing as an expression of sociopathic manipulation until now, but it explains a lot.

[-] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 3 points 18 hours ago

One of my favorite Calvin & Hobbs. :D

[-] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

This is perfect

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[-] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 39 points 1 day ago

inhales

Complex 1a was prepared according to well-known synthetic procedures. The reduction potential of the complex was increased due to the nephelauxetic expansion of the occupied FMOs induced by photolytic epimerization of the auxiliary tetrahydrophosphazolidine sulfide ligand to enable a strongly σ-donating dihaptic coordination mode.

translation: we made molecule 1a, we shouldn't need to tell you how, it's obvious, lmao, git gud. the molecule became less likely to gain extra electrons because shining light on it made one of its weird-ass totally-not-bullshit parts wiggle around a bit so that it could bind more strongly to the metal atom through two of its own adjacent atoms, making the metal atom's relevant electrons floofier.

[-] Toldry@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

'floofier' should be standard academic jargon

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago

I understood every word of that, and I hate you.

[-] Technus@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago

I understood about 45% of that, and I also hate them.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

He said it's hard to see through the style of their writing because they use fancy language related to their field of work and it causes a vicious cycle of other people doing the same while excluding normal people.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago

In defense of jargon:

coming up with new ideas and expressing them to others requires new vocabulary. You can't simply say things in "plain English" especially when you want to communicate with peers.

This is why academia is so often refereed to as a discipline; you must train yourself in new ways of thinking. Making it accessible to the layperson is the job of scientific communicators, not scientists at large.

And it's not like this is a unique issue with acedemia, every organization I've ever participated in had special vocabulary if it was necessary or not.

[-] leisesprecher@feddit.org 28 points 1 day ago

Many professionals (not only scientists) are really bad at crafting sentences and texts, even without jargon.

I get jargon, but even if you replace all of the jargon in a typical paper with simple words, the writing style is often horrible. It's often weirdly repetitive, has fluff-pieces and empty phrases, and just doesn't get to the point. (I'll ignore the inherent worthlessness of many articles here, since this is a symptom of funding policy)

I don't expect a scientific article to be understandable for someone outside the field, but do yourself the disfavour and ask a random scientist, what it is they're actually doing and to explain it in simple terms. Most can't. And that says to me, that these people never learned (or were taught) how to actually boil a concept down to its essence. And that I think is pretty bad.

As an example, two scientists from different fields could work on almost the same problem from different angles, but they would never know that if they talked to each other, because they are unable to express their work in a way the other person can understand.

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Jargon is only legitimate when it clarifies more than plain English. If it does, fine, use it.

[-] huginn@feddit.it 2 points 8 hours ago

Every single word in the original post clarifies more than plain English. It is more specific and has better nuance than a plain translation.

That doesn't make it a useful explanation because the audience of the statement is not the in-group using the jargon.

One part of my daily job is translating "technical" into "manager". The translation always loses fidelity to the original. Jargon exists because it's useful, not because there's a deliberate attempt to keep others out. Some will then use it as a shibboleth but that does not mean it's original purpose was such.

For what it's worth: that's true of all translations. I've done real time translation from Italian into English and it's always missing the nuance of the original. I've read the divine comedy in English and Italian and the English is always missing the context and nuance.

Language is an abstract representation of concepts and never maps faithfully.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago

The loser research paper vs the chad blog tutorial

^ literally anything related to buffer overflow attacks lol

[-] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 14 hours ago

Academic security research is constitutionally bad because academia as an environment selects people with a “hacker mentality” out at the freshman stage.

It’s inherently biased towards rule-followers. That’s not a bad thing, but it means it’s bad at some things. Such as computer security research.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago

In my first year of uni, I had to write a 20 page paper, so I wrote it about how academic writing sucks.

Cheeky as hell, but I got a good grade, and my teacher liked it

[-] Godwins_Law@lemmy.ca 4 points 14 hours ago

It's legit a great topic. Scientists need to remember that communication is an important skill.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, it's an in-group exclusivity signifier.

Shame, math is some of the worst at this, everything is named after some guy, so there's 0 semantic associativity, you either know exactly which Gaussian term they mean, or you are completely clueless even though they just mean noise with a normal distribution.

edit: Currently in a very inter-disciplinary field where the different mathematicians have their own language which has to be translated back into first software, then hardware. It's so confusing at first till you spend 30 minutes on wikipedia to realize they're just using an esoteric term to describe something you've used forever.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

realize they're just using an esoteric term to describe something you've used forever.

Programming is applied math. Mathematicians say "theory of mass service", programmers say "schedulers". Well, it's "theory of mass service" in Russian, but in English it is "queue theory".

[-] AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 day ago

IT guy here, we suffer from a similar problem where everything is an acronym so it sounds like alphabet soup that if said as a word means sometimes you can't even quietly go look it up later. You either nod along knowing what it means or nod along not knowing what it means but having no chance to learn without outing yourself.

[-] Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 15 hours ago

And then you have multiple identical abbreviations meaning different things or different things that are pronounced the same or multi billion dollar ompanies naming their product after existing words (like Microsoft Word or Office or Outlook...).

Mix in abbreviated customer names, names for servers and internal teams (no, not Microsoft Teams©) and everything is only an incomprehensible letter mumbo-jumbo.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago

And you can't out yourself because, in many workplace cultures, the appearance of knowing is more important than actually knowing. :/

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[-] Contramuffin@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

It's something that people, in least in my field of microbiology, have been recently aware of and are trying to correct. The problem is not just an in-group signifier, since everyone, even experts, finds the author insufferable and difficult to understand

[-] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Is there an AcademicDictionary in the vein of Urban Dictionary for all the jargon and filler patterns?

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

If you're reading an academic paper, you just follow the citations until someone defines it.

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