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[-] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 12 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I remember someone (probably here) saying that the Shadow of Mordor/War "Nemesis System" could have become a widespread gaming system similar to how the unique mechanics of Dark Souls games became an entire genre and now there are all kinds of games that use the system and tinker with variations on it to great effect now called "soulslike." But because WB or Ubisoft or whoever made a show of patenting the system (and apparently won actual lawsuit challenges to it?) there is no genre of "shadowlike" or "nemesislike" games. That it was a clear example of a patent actually depriving us of an entire potential genre of games.

edit: I swear I read this whole thread before commenting but I missed EllenKelly already mentioned it. And yes, it has been discussed around here.

[-] AvocadoVapelung@hexbear.net 5 points 10 hours ago

that's it i'm patenting lawyers

[-] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 7 points 12 hours ago

Just a reminder that these patents, while bad, are nowhere near as bad as what might be authorized by new legislation in the U.S. which could re-open the door to "on a computer" patents.

(i.e. "Picture galleries, on a computer" "Healthcare, through a computer" "Dating, through a computer" etc)

IP Law is a mess.

[-] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 17 points 16 hours ago

So I've always heard in the context of tabletop games (RPGs, ccgs, boardgames) that you literally can't copyright or patent game mechanics, only specific language/presentation.

For example, you can't call your card game mechanic, "tapping" because MTG/WotC has copyrighted that term, but they literally can't copyright "show card is exhausted by turning it sideways."

Is that not true or is there some reason it's different for videogames?

[-] Tervell@hexbear.net 15 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I assume a lot of these patents wouldn't actually hold up if challenged in court - but I guess you can file them anyway? I'm not familiar with patent law at all, but seeing as there's literally millions filed, I would assume there really isn't that much oversight done at the moment of filing... which seems like a great system to have: just let those with the resources to go through the filing process throw shit at the wall, and leave it to anyone brave enough to get dragged into long legal proceedings to challenge them if they're bullshit.

this (for European patents) says:

grant of patents does not guarantee validity, and revocation is not uncommon. In fact, a large number of patent litigations result in revocation of patents by national courts. Moreover, according to EPO statistics, 70% of opposed patents are revoked or limited during opposition proceedings

And this is for patents that are actually challenged - who knows how many there are for more obscure areas, just sitting around with no-one (wealthy enough) to challenge them? (and I would assume this is even worse for the US)

[-] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 13 points 15 hours ago

Oh, so big companies can just patent whatever they want even illegally and you have to violate it and hope the court is reasonable and you can afford the legal fees for fighting it. Death to Amerikkka, Bioware delenda est.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

If memory serves, one of the bideo bame corporations now owns the concept of "barrel rolls" in flight maneuvering. I imagine it might not hold up in a legal fight... but who can afford to start one? capitalist-laugh

[-] sawne128@hexbear.net 31 points 18 hours ago
[-] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 14 points 14 hours ago

What the hell are they patenting here? Conditional statements?

[-] sawne128@hexbear.net 27 points 17 hours ago
[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 22 points 15 hours ago

Socialism will never match this level of innovation

[-] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 19 points 15 hours ago

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[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 13 hours ago

It's a visible representation of my interest and support of Nintendo through three life phases.

[-] edge@hexbear.net 46 points 19 hours ago

Reminder that we could have had mini games during long loading screens but Bandai Namco patented the idea and barely did anything with it and it didn't expire until loading screens were no longer really a problem.

[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 9 points 14 hours ago

now we just get slow crawls/shimmies along small gaps while the level loads

just give me a rotatable object instead for fuck sake

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 22 points 18 hours ago

and it didn't expire until loading screens were no longer really a problem.

are you from the future

[-] edge@hexbear.net 20 points 18 hours ago
[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 10 points 18 hours ago

Kind of? Do consoles come with them these days?

[-] Tom742@hexbear.net 16 points 18 hours ago

Yup. PS5 load times are real short

[-] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 36 points 19 hours ago

The nemesis system in Mordor shadow of war is patented :( ip law is such a waste

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 17 hours ago

I wonder how Warframe got around it with Kuva Liches and the Sisters.

[-] 12022081631@hexbear.net 9 points 17 hours ago

xcom 2 war of the chosen is on notice

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 16 points 17 hours ago

reminds me of when jonathan blow found out that nintendo patented the time travel mechanic he used in braid. These fuckers will patent anything

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 3 points 12 hours ago

Obviously patents and ip are bullshit especially in cases like this but I can't help but marvel at how accurately bad those sample dialog options are

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 22 points 18 hours ago
[-] Tervell@hexbear.net 9 points 18 hours ago

I wonder if there's some kind of legal norm thing of "you can't have references to common swears in an official document!" pearl-clutch kitty-cri-screm, or if whoever was writing this just wasn't paying attention (although maybe it's some kind of deliberate accent thing, since there's also dere instead of there? I honestly have no idea where they were going with that particular dialogue, like why pick this specifically to illustrate the concept?)

[-] roux@hexbear.net 19 points 18 hours ago

Welp, it looks like we've made it to "patented the wheel" level of Dystopia. Pretty cool.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 22 points 19 hours ago

hint at violence

curious-marx

[-] Chronicon@hexbear.net 17 points 18 hours ago

new emote:

:hold-it-right-dere:

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 20 points 19 hours ago

I'd like to know the different meanings between the sqiggly arrow and the lightning arrow

[-] Gorb@hexbear.net 13 points 18 hours ago

Tis I that patented the crazy taxy arrow

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 8 points 16 hours ago

Dialogue wheel with different degrees getting patented saved us from the most annoying political simulators that the human mind could possibly fathom.

Or if that's not what that is then I have hallucinated myself to the lathe.

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