Am I the only one that is seeing this as a joke referencing Stalactites and Stalagmites? Like I also think that it fits as a good thought experiment, but is the joke so obvious that no one is stating it? Or is am I just reading something into it that's not there?
I’ve only read your comment so far, but I thought it was obvious enough to be surprised your comment was in top
You seem to be one of the few commenting so far.
I used to get them confused until a visit to Luray Cavern. The tour guide explained that one “held ‘tite’ to the ceiling while the other just ‘mite’ reach it.”
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The joke is so obvious there's no need to comment on it so others, including myself, are using this as an opportunity to post our opinions on the difference between sci-fi and fantasy.
I always liked the distinction (I forget who originated it) that science fiction is a story set in a world where the rules are defined by physics and fantasy is a story set in a world where the rules are defined by the author.
Star Wars is fucked...
Star Wars is absolutely fantasy that happens to be set in space
I don't know if you're brave or foolish, but either way, vaya con dios. The Star Wars fans are relentless.
I can only speak for myself, but as a Star Wars fan, I'm very aware it's fantasy. Shit man, it's got wizards.
The people who hate star wars the most are themselves the biggest fans of star wars.
I also think that the Last Jedi is one of the better Star Wars films, so I'm quite used to my Star Wars opinions being the subject of definitely very polite disagreement
Science fiction is based in reality and usually just extrapolates what we know is scientifically possible, just not with current technology. They can usually explain how stuff works because it's based on real science to some degree.
Star Trek is science fiction.
Fantasy really just follows the rule of cool. If it's cool, throw it in. It's based on nothing but what the writer thinks is cool as shit.
Star Wars is future fantasy.
Absolutely 100% wrong.
Star Wars is ancient fantasy, it happened A LONG TIME AGO in a galaxy Far far away
science fiction is in space and fantasy has castles.
I will take no further questions.
Counter point Star Wars. Magic powers, magic swords, rescuing princesses, chosen one prophesies.
Star Wars is 100% a Space Fantasy. A boy goes on an adventure accompanied by a wizard to save a princess and become a knight.
as the other commenter said, there's very little science fiction in star wars. It's more fantastical creatures and magic and shit. it's actually fantasy. Star trek however, that's scify
If it's not from the fantasy region of middle earth then it's just sparkling fiction.
Why does this analogy make sense to me for some reason?
Fantasy is almost alway low-tech, Sci-fi is almost always high-tech. As such, fantasy tech levels could be compared to starting low and going high, while sci-fi starts high and then goes low as it tries to explain the concepts it's introducing.
Probably the drugs
Can I have some of those drugs please?
I believe I am currently on those drugs! To me, this means that sci-fi is usually written starting from the universe and then focuses down to the individual, but fantasy is written from the individual up to the world. Sci-fi has more of a universe building focus and fantasy has more of a personal and character development focus.
Because in the classical Jungian style of analysis, imagery of the basement of a childhood home was a revisiting of the past.
Likewise "up from the floor" indicates ancients coming up from caves, ancient monsters to be slain, underground dungeons. The primitive unchained and revisited.
...and using Freud's principle of the inversion; down from the ceiling is indicative of from the future.
Prometheanism, featuring stories of Science only taking us so far before we fall from the ceiling, or rather it chaotically falls on us.
The idea that a return to primative barbarism and violence can also come from above, from technology, from the future unknown, from advanced beings, complex plans, or outter space.
So whether it's up from the floor (ancient past) or down from the ceiling (unknown future) - it's coming for us, with risks and dangers we're not ready for...
...or so the stories go.
I, too, love stories of otter space.
Omg I wanna go there now
I would argue that science fiction and fantasy are the same thing and the only difference is the explanation for how all the cool stuff works.
Functionally, there's no real difference between a portal that takes the characters to another world using a wormhole and one that does it through through magic. Just like how there's no difference between Vulcans/Klingons/Wookies and Elves/Dwarves/Beastmen. Both are intelligent non-humans.
There are disappointingly few epic space battles in fantasy though.
Enders Game instilled the importance of adjusting your frame of reference. What was up can become down.
So it’s science fiction but when you consider a collaborative global human response to existential danger it’s fantasy.
But the Shadow series shows how quickly we go back to weaponizing and using gifted war trained children as tools of conquest… so realism/horror?
I've been reading stories from the Hatsune Miku rhythm game app, that almost straddles the line between urban fantasy and unexplained sci-fi. The premise is that instances of the vocaloids live in personalized virtual worlds for different (small) groups of humans. The humans can teleport to these worlds by playing a special song on their phone, or the vocaloids can project themselves as holograms from the humans' phones. It's almost sci-fi because it mostly works within constraints of technology. For example, you get booted out of the virtual world if your phone runs out of battery, and if your phone gets shorted out, it can prevent the vocaloids from projecting themselves until the phone is repaired (though if the phone still works otherwise, they can voice chat.) Also the special song can be transferred to different machines and still works. But then what makes it more fantasy is that the song and worlds are created from the humans' feelings (and if they lose the song, a new copy will appear for them,) and it works without internet connection (if one member of a group is stranded and another isn't, they could have a vocaloid relay a message.) And then just recently I read a chapter where some characters were able to access their virtual world through their dreams, without needing the song file in the first place. For me, that's what completely tipped the scale into urban fantasy.
And the one, floating in through the open window … how was that called again?
But what if there's bats? Bats typically aren't on the floor!
Bats on the floor are obviously Rats, because the bottom of the B is obscured by the puddle they're standing on.
If it's on the ceiling, it's a Bat-Cite and if it's on the floor, it's a Bat-Mite.
spoiler
Pictured: Bat-Mite
Fantasy is right-leaning while SF is left-leaning. Easy peasy.
Fantasy is when there's magic, sci-fi is when the magic has specific terminology.
Star Trek says, “Eat me and my 58 years of series and films— Ad astra per aspera!”
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