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How would you approach persuading a far extreme liberal toward center? What would you set as a realistic goal for a productive discourse? Would it be better attempt to do so in person rather than online?

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[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 65 points 1 month ago

Might be a good idea to define what you consider an "extreme liberal". Nowadays, an extreme liberal can often times be used as a label for people advocating for human rights and calling out the bad faith actors while a moderate is someone who says "Hold on, let's hear out why these people are ethnically cleansing a population. Maybe they make good points".

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 39 points 1 month ago

In other threads on this platform I've been called an "Extreme liberal" for wanting free lunch for schoolchildren. So, I think the title is just kind of applied to "anyone who disagrees with me"

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago

Maybe try advocating for free lunch for white kids only in the future? Makes you seem more reasonable.

/s

[-] credo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well, that obviously calls for deprogramming. All the commercials this month inform me you are a radical socialist trying to feed children who don’t deserve it. I think the correct answer is to throw them in labor camps instead so they can earn bread and water. Serves them right for being born poor.

[-] BitSound@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

How are you defining "far extreme liberal"?

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 month ago

Someone who cares about others. It's a terrible affliction to go through life like that.

I think privatising social security is a terrible idea and medicare for all is a good idea. So I'm basically a communist.

/s

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Anyone who isn't in a cult worshipping one of the most overtly corrupt con men the world has ever seen.

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

I think giving an example of an extreme liberal would help answer the question. Did you have some public figure in mind? If not, what are some examples of their beliefs that you’re wanting to push them to the center on?

[-] superkret@feddit.org 23 points 1 month ago

deprogram an extreme liberal

Read Das Kapital to them

towards center

They're already in the "center"

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

OP asked the same question about extreme conservatives yesterday but it's not the same question, and doesn't have the same answers. Much of the right has gone further right, then looks at the left and says "they are farther away than they used to be"

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

Didn't you post a somewhat opposite yesterday using "Republican"?

Those two terms aren't even close to equivalent in this context.

You need to define what you mean, a LOT. At least start with equivalent labels.

[-] mbtrhcs@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago

I bet this is going to be some sort of gotcha about how people didn't feel the need to "deprogram an extremist liberal", so obviously everyone is out to get the poor poor conservatives who just want to be vile in peace

[-] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The title may be edited, idk, but the other post you're referring to says "conservative" today

Edit:Looking at the profile, the wording of both posts are identical, except "conservative" is swapped for "liberal"

[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 16 points 1 month ago

"Deprogramming" makes sense in the sense for the far right because there is a lot of misinformation and fake news and outrage bait and all that kind of stuff. Getting people out of those trappings is good because it allows them to see how things really are, rather than what people want them to think.

That isn't really a problem with the left. I mean, I'm sure you could find some extreme subreddit somewhere where people want to bring out the guillotine to kill all capitalists or cut everyone's genitals off in the name of gender equality... But ultimately they're much rarer than the equivalent alt right spaces.

Extreme conservatives are very common and an existential threat to many groups. Extreme liberals are a mild curiosity that need to go out and touch grass.

That should hopefully explain the votes, saying that you need to deprogram "extreme liberals" brings up questions about what you actually mean by "extreme liberal" given that it really isn't that big an issue in society.

... Or maybe all this is just my biases.

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[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Firstly, I would say, hey, I respect that you don't think people should die hungry in the streets. Yup, that's about it.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 15 points 1 month ago

Hey I notice you have empathy for others. What can we do to get rid of that?

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I'm curious as to why someone would want to "deprogram" progresivism. Seems like it would be for the worse.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Eugenics and prohibition were both progressive social movements.

Progressive doesn't necessarily mean good.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Interesting point.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Haven't you heard about how the immigrants are shutting down the labor unions and making it rain when you have plans?!?

[-] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't.

In fact, I would try to deprogram anyone who thinks anyone should.

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[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Very simple. You just need to explain how guys like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos have clearly always had all the best ideas and should be given completely free reign to do anything they want with our country, with no checks whatsoever, for however long they want. This will clearly make all of our lives much, much better in every way.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 1 month ago

Deprogram them from what, exactly? From not being hateful little shits that wanna get rid of everything and everyone that isn't exactly like them?

[-] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wow I did not interpret the term "liberal" at all in the same way that you have. Liberalism as an ideology is centrist at best, right of center at worst if you consider the overton window in developed nations other than the US.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Objectifying people is never a good look.

[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

You can’t go wrong just asking questions.

[-] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Make them live in Downton Abbey

[-] bear@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 month ago

Accept them. Understand them and what they say and why. Have fun and tell a joke they'll like. Let go of trying to change them and let it happen naturally over time.

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