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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 255 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Plain and simple... She was a woman, and a black person - There will be months of tap dancing and "deep" analysis, but we're just an ugly, atrophied, broken, racist and patriarchal nation, like deep down in our DNA. We were able to elect Obama, yes - he is half white, and a man (those weren't the loud messages as they attacked him, but Pennsylvania gramma knew those things quietly when she pulled the lever for him). It's not satisfying, but it's just the plain truth here. We're closer to getting over race than we are over sex.

Plenty of deliberate work has been done, mostly by republicans, to keep America stupid, poor and in untreated pain, yes... But we're also just trash on the whole. We raise trash and we vote for trash. We just aren't smarter than social algorithms, TV soap opera narratives, costumes and makeup. "The pretend business man is white, old, wears a tie and has a gold watch. He feels like how daddy felt when I was little, and when things are bad, daddy fixed them the way I remember it."

Video game trolls, people who failed the cop application physical and triple DUI wine moms are America. No further explanation or analysis needed.

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 59 points 2 weeks ago

I remember hearing many democrats that joked how they voted for the white side of Obama. It wasn't funny and isn't funny now. They are not only voting against a woman but one of color.

We are going let christian fascism take control of America because a large portion of our population is sexiest, and racist. Not to mention all those protest votes or fucker who sat on their couch rather than do the right thing.

Now we are all fucked.

[-] MarcomachtKuchen@feddit.org 59 points 2 weeks ago

This reads like straight out of disco elysium. Great choice of words

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[-] LappingDog@sh.itjust.works 47 points 2 weeks ago

I voted for Harris walz, but I think a lot of this is the fault of Biden for trying to run for reelection and sticking it out until July. I live in the south and I think the lack of a primary reallly hurt the ticket because a sizable portion of the people I’ve talked to felt like she was appointed instead of being elected, which is a bad move when public trust in our institutions is already at an all time low.

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 63 points 2 weeks ago

This is all excuses. The fact that Trump made it all the way as the primary candidate for the GOP means that Republicans were okay with what he said and what he did.

For a normal person, it shouldn't even take a second to choose Harris. But this isn't the case. Trump won the popular vote and the presidency despite all the crazy shit because a sizeable part of the citizens voted him in regardless of the reason.

And not only that, but Republicans won the senate and well on their way to win the house.

It is about to get real bad, and Americans have themselves to blame for that.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 25 points 2 weeks ago

Institutional democrats who thought they knew what they were doing and could ignore the base of the party is to blame. Biden being top of the list. Stubborn self assured who when finally pushed to change was only willing to do it on his terms. And made a decision for everyone, again.

One of the big stories is a Democratic party Mayor of a super Blue city being corrupt and organizing police to defend him and yet not a single member of the party has spoken out against it. Endorsed by Hakeem Jeffries.

Status quo is far more important than listening to their base right now and hopefully it changes instead of them once again thinking they need to head further right.

And for the love all things holy I hope the Democrats learn to stop "gaming" the election with specific counties in "blue walls" because they did advanced math that told them it was all they needed. Bare minimum should never have been the goal.

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[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 33 points 2 weeks ago

Plain and simple... She was a woman, and a black person

She was doing better than the old white guy she replaced though

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 36 points 2 weeks ago

Until she woke up one day and thought she was Republican.

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[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

Obama was a unique situation in that he was both an incredibly charismatic JFK-style figure and ran after the Republicans had managed to both start a very unpopular war and destroy the world economy.

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[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 160 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Wisconsin, US here. My county went 70% for Trump this time. That's versus ~48% in 2016. The problem isn't democracy. The problem is the people. Pissed as hell for all the wrong reasons at all the wrong people. Unable to see reality, expecting that the person in charge could make it a utopia with the flick of a switch. The average American is delusional and irreparably stupid.

We constantly joke that it's Idiocracy, but the truth is...

[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for saying it. The voter is the fucking problem. Anyone with half a brain realizes this. Gaza, egg prices, and the candidate not having a dick was enough to the traitor rapist felon to get a trifecta. That's not a campaign problem. Maybe Harris didn't run a perfect campaign, but that's clearly not the issue here

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not American. Maybe my opinion also comes from a place of not understanding how government works in the US. But in 2020, Biden won the Presidency and the Democrats had control of the House and the Senate. Yet, they had a harder time of reversing Trump's policies than he had pushing them through. Let alone not even trying to enact progressive policies.

As an outside observer, maybe that's why people have lost faith in the Democratic party.

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[-] quickdrinkthis@mander.xyz 46 points 2 weeks ago

This. Was crazy to see everyone turn on the DNC and Harris the moment it was over like we are just unable to come to terms with the fact that we're surrounded by garbage and morons and there's no way around it

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 weeks ago

The results aren't showing that though. They are showing a large amount of Democrat voters just stayed on the couch. Trump didn't get more votes than 2020, all that was needed was an energized democratic base.

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[-] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah uh, I really really hate to say it, but... democracy worked this time. The voice of the people is "Trump please". Democracy just means you get what most people want, not what the best option is.

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[-] Wolfram@lemmy.world 155 points 2 weeks ago

I can't tell you how much faith I've lost in the average person in America, especially compared to how... ok, I guess, the last election went and how tight, or possibly over this one is.

I can't fathom how fucking stupid anyone would have to be to elect this orange piece of shit that has been upping the dangerous rhetoric constantly. America is broken and it isn't worth fixing, especially not for the morons that somehow get him elected again. I just hope that I can get to a point in my career that I can move elsewhere, maybe Ireland or New Zealand or something, fuck.

[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 56 points 2 weeks ago

For real. The rest of the world needs to get their shit together and cripple the US. Cease all trades immediately, end all alliances with the US. The US has the largest military in the world, and now the facists have the reins entirely. They have the oval office, the have the house, they have the Senate and they have the supreme court. The entire world is going to suffer because of this election.

[-] random_character_a@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

US politics have gone to dangerous direction for decades. Orange freak is only a symptom. US is gonna become Russia level cleptocracy and when climate crysis hits fully, world will be more separated and chaotic than ever.

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[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 120 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 97 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

Remember when they burned children alive because their parents may or may not have modified some firearms.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 82 points 2 weeks ago

When you figure out that the United States was established by wealthy white males who owned slaves, had a revolution due to "no taxation without representation" but then purposefully ignored to repent the 99% until major reforms over the years, it makes sense.

The first set presidential elections were only voted by a handful of Americans. Not the women. Not the slaves. Not the natives who were here first. The landowning white men.

When we claimed England is a tyranny but abolished slavery and gave universal aufferage before we did, I think we lost that argument. America was built by out of touch white men, and it has always been ran by out of touch white men.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 75 points 2 weeks ago

Also say goodbye to internet freedom of speech, if even a small portion of Project 2025 comes into play. Anti-pornography activism sounds nice on paper, until you realize everyone has a different definition of pornography, and the people that want to ban porn the most have a rather interesting take on what constitutes as porn and what doesn't...

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 46 points 2 weeks ago

How does anti-pornography sound good to you? If you are about to give some religious nonsense, please don't bother.

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[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 weeks ago

It absolutely does not sound nice on paper.

[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

“Anti-pornography” specifically means “anti-LGBT” to them.

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[-] Rolando@lemmy.world 56 points 2 weeks ago

FWIW most clowns are hard-working, skilled individuals who bring joy to people's lives.

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[-] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 61 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, a two party system with two right wings only.

That wouldn't work.

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[-] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 55 points 2 weeks ago

Funny and true. I like it.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago

Well, it is nearly dead now.

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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago

US is system is so bad. The constant pandering to "founding fathers" as if it's even possible to have strong enough vision that it would last 200+ years and refusal to innovate past the ridiculous two party system is just sad tbh.

Yet nothing will change because you can't change these things without a revolution apparently.

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[-] Sooperstition@lemmy.one 39 points 2 weeks ago

It’s a democracy controlled by people who don’t care about regular working people. It was designed by rich white dudes and slaveowners 250 years ago to protect and increase their wealth.

Your institutions have failed you. Americans need to demand better and throw off the chains that the wealthy have put on them.

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Kind of feels like our "crossing the Rubicon" moment. Except instead of an intellgent and accomplished general leading an army, we got a clown leading a circus.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

(in spirit since I am not American)

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[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What??? We literally saw democracy play out. You can't even use the excuse that he lost the popular vote, he won every type of democratic way we have.

You know what wasn't democracy? Installing candidates into primaries over democratically popular candidates. Hillary in 2016, Biden in 2020 and Kamala in 2024. In every single one of these primaries, they did everything they could to shut down anyone popular who showed any sign of having a backbone, even though they killed democracy as it happened.

What we saw was a backlash to a stifling of democracy. Democracy won last night.

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[-] servobobo@feddit.nl 25 points 2 weeks ago

this is what a terminal case of neoliberalism looks like, kids

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