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[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 363 points 5 days ago
[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 119 points 5 days ago

Trump was already facing multiple criminal and civil suits in 2016. They had 8+ years to hold him accountable for even a single thing, and didn't.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 58 points 5 days ago

Yeah this is an important point. If the system lets guys like Trump get away with obvious crimes for 8 years, and that's when it's working as intended, then the system needs to be dismantled. Maybe the only way to drain the swamp is to let it turn into a sinkhole that drags everything down with it. Not that we have much choice in the matter at this point.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

The thing is that even though Trump is incredibly stupid and incompetent, the people influencing him aren't. It will never completely fail, regardless of how bad it gets for the average person. They'll ensure that it meets their needs until we're right back to living in a medieval feudal system. Hell, we're almost there already, except there's still some pretty comfortable people in the middle. But that class is rapidly shrinking, and the feudal lords are tightening their grip.

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[-] moncharleskey@lemmy.zip 30 points 5 days ago

I could go for kicking Merrick Garland in the dick. Might make me feel just a little better.

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[-] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 287 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

“No one in their right mind is backing 2025…”

Then why did YOU?!

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 76 points 5 days ago
[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 45 points 5 days ago

I'd like to start a new response of "I don't care if you're joking, you're still an asshole".

[-] burgersc12@mander.xyz 28 points 5 days ago

Ahh yes the joke that they posted a several hundred page memo about and had been celebrating up until the point they realized it had gotten spread and they were getting criticized for it.

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[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 242 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"He's probably just joking" is something I heard so much over the past few years about things the right has been spewing. THEY ARE NOT JOKING, THEY ARE NEVER JOKING! I don't know how this is a hard thing to understand.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 102 points 5 days ago

Also, if they are lying about these things, why did they vote for a liar? A lot of people who called agenda 2025 fake or lies still voted for the party representing it.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 40 points 5 days ago

Trump says 'I don't kid' after aides argue he was joking about slowing coronavirus testing.

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[-] SGforce@lemmy.ca 36 points 5 days ago

Also, why the fuck is it cool for a politician to joke about doing shit? Literally any joke is not cool.

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 5 days ago

Fuck, my neighbor says the same every time Trump says something awful. "Trump just talks a lot of shit, he's just joking."

Fuck you neighbor, you approved leadership from the guy who encouraged putting kids in cages.

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[-] archonet@lemy.lol 88 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Conservatives: I like [insert obnoxious conservative figurehead] because they tell it like it is, they mean what they say

Also conservatives, sometimes in the same breath: Fake! [obnoxious conservative figurehead] didn't mean that! Taken out of context! 'Tis but a jape!

Jesus fuck the reality distortion field is strong, it's like doublethink but without being a clever social trick to survive, it's just they're that stupid.

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[-] zib@lemmy.world 185 points 5 days ago

I used to have a boss who like to joke about firing people on his team. He was a nice guy and there was no ill intention behind the jokes, but we eventually had to sit him down and tell him that he couldn't joke about that stuff because it causes a great deal of stress to people given his position.

Another example is bomb jokes in airports. Aside from just being in poor taste, that's something that will get you arrested and probably put on a no-fly list for life because it's an extremely serious matter with no exceptions.

So, even if Trump and his people are just joking about these horrible things, it's completely unacceptable when it's entirely believable they would do this stuff and would be in a position to make it happen.

TLDR: There are just some things you don't fucking joke about.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I joke about firing people sometimes, but I am not a manager and never want to be managing anyone. I only say it to people who know that I have no power over them which is the only time this joke is OK.

[-] Entropywins@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago

I do IT at a semiconductor foundry, and only us and managers walk around with laptops. I don't even have to say anything, and people get in panic mode and scramble to look like they are working until I say don't worry, I'm just IT. I won't say a word.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Every single time any of them say anything atrocious, it gets dismissed by the people who realize how bad it is as a joke.

Every single time.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 153 points 5 days ago

"I don't like it when you show me what I'm supporting"

[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 79 points 5 days ago

Hold MAGA accountable. Every. Single. Day.

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago

This is why America deserves everything it voted for this time around.

[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

A lot of people are going to suffer who didn't vote for him. This is as callous as the fascists.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

there are alot of voters that didn't vote *at all *.

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[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 4 days ago

Conservative / fascist leaders deserve it, the rest of us do not. The kids who were too young to vote, the leftists who fight against fascism, and the workers who don't have the time to follow politics do not deserve any of what is to come.

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

The people who voted for evil do.

The people who failed to vote against evil do, but less.

The people who voted against evil? No fuckin chance.

"America" is too wide a brush, but I get talking that way.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 92 points 5 days ago
[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 27 points 5 days ago
[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 40 points 5 days ago

Oh this.... So much of this.

This is like the UK voting for brexit only to start searching "what will brexit do for me" the day AFTER the vote...

It sucks sonbad that dictatorships don't work, because democracy with stupid people doesn't work either and most people are just. So. Stupid...

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[-] boomzilla@programming.dev 16 points 4 days ago

Let me be a grammar Nazi. It's "gewusst". But spot on, yes.

For non-german speakers: "I didn't knew of this". In a reference to Nazi germany when Hitler and the NSDAP publicised a lot of their plans inb4. Just like HF with P2025.

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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 28 points 4 days ago
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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 89 points 5 days ago

bullies always start out "joking"

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 98 points 5 days ago

They've lied so much and gaslit so much that people don't know what to believe anymore.

And with all the AI and Russian troll farm bullshit being posted on social media, it's just poisoning the truth. It's time to ditch Twitter, Facebook and company.

I keep telling my folks that and that they'll end up being influenced and manipulated but they refuse because of how convenient it is. And I almost have to keep it because that's the only way they communicate right now.

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[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 73 points 5 days ago
[-] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 39 points 5 days ago

The time for being reasonable and trying to convince willfully ignorant fucks is long past. You tell them they are a fucking fool. You block them on all communication channels. You never talk to them again. Trying to reason with an idiot is a waste of time. If anything you feed their thought process they are right by debating. They should all be ignored. They should all be cut off from their loved ones and friends.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

Shut them down, but leave them a route out.

It's a cult, one of the goals is to trap people within them. The worst thing we can do is shove people back into that box, once they try and escape. It might be satisfying, but it's also extremely counterproductive.

If America wants to actually win, you either need to outlive, or deconvert the members. The first will take generations, I presume you don't want to have to wait that long?

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 65 points 5 days ago

I listened to many interviews with people convinced that Trump wouldn't do the things he said he would do. They definitely won't acknowledge the things he said he won't do.

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[-] Digital_man@lemmy.one 67 points 5 days ago

Worried about making white people uncomfortable is how we got here in this first place.

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[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 40 points 5 days ago

Like the citizens of Weimar (near concentration camp Buchenwald) said in april 1945: wir haben es nicht gewusst

[-] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

They sure seem to like the Arbeit macht frei signs too, rolling back child labor laws for more “freedom”

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[-] db2@lemmy.world 54 points 5 days ago
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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

We know most of them are stupid.

[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 24 points 5 days ago

How delusional. They’re gonna try to pass all of it.

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My parents contantly regurgitates propaganda from wechat about how democrats in NYC are letting homess people and migrants ruin everything.

We dont even live in NYC.

I told her to vote Harris and she did (she didn't even know how to fill out a ballot I had to tell her how to) but then later she said "maybe we shouldn't vote for democrats" because of the homeless shelters built near Chinese populations in NYC (which is a fair grivence, but I dont see how republicans are gonna solve it better). Abosolutely no independent thought and no critical thinking just parroting whatever the last person said.

She doesn't understand that the "homeless" or "migrants" are just dogwhistles referring to people like us who maga republicans deem inferior.

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[-] auzy@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

I also argued with someone who said the information was a badly organized protest and said I was overreacting lol

[-] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago

The problem is that he was likely joking. It’s a shitty joke on our end but Walsh is deliberately using people’s panic to make fun of the media and the left in general.

The point of the joke was to trigger alarms and make people write dumb articles about it. Then he can point and laugh about how his joke triggered you and also turn accusations about Project 2025 into a hyperbole that the left uses. From then on the phrase will be easily ignored by moderates as an overreaction from the left. Because in this case it is an overreaction, he’s clearly trying to scare people.

Just keep in mind that this is a common tactic they employ to take the sting out of certain terms and to keep their base unaware of the BS. It’s why the left can’t rally around phrases like the right can.

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 5 days ago

I don’t disagree with your analysis of what he’s doing, but I don’t think he’s joking in the sense that he doesn’t mean it. He’s “joking” in the “haha just kidding… unless? 👀” sense.

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