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Beria was a certified gem poster

srsUnironically should've been executed for this ngl

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[-] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 49 points 2 days ago

Carving a Jewish republic out of Prussia would have made so much more fucking sense than Israel and wouldn't have fucked the middle east for eternity

[-] Halloweenbean@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

Until german unification led to nazi two:national liberation edition.

[-] Maturin@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago
[-] Halloweenbean@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No, now Germany can pretend that it likes jews while laying the seeds for mass expulsion of Muslims. Imagine the afd if it demanded popular rule in a Jewish state.

[-] Tervell@hexbear.net 49 points 2 days ago

HoI4 peace conference ass map

I like that there's both a Chinese Nationalist and Chinese Communist zone, truly both-sides

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 20 points 2 days ago

Chinese Nationalist and Chinese Communist zone

For some insane reason Beria wanted to give Munich to the nationalists though? In Taiwermany? Unless I'm misreading this.

[-] Tervell@hexbear.net 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

yeah, Dresden goes to the CPC and Munich and its environs (most of Southern Bavaria, really) goes to the KMT, for... some reason

honestly, he should have gone full hog and given them neighboring regions so the resumed Chinese Civil War can be fought on German territory

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

Maybe the idea was to make the occupation of Germany more internationally representative? Which would have been... OK I guess?

[-] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 day ago

At the time, the Soviet Union had relatively friendly relations with the RoC and recognized them as the legitimate government of China.

I want to know how many fortified wines deep you have to be to decide that Dresden should go to the Chinese communists but Munich goes to the nationalists.

They should have just decided that Germany is the one PvP zone in the entire world. Sharpening of contradictions leads to civil war in your country ? No need to totally wreck the place, both sides just send their troops over to Germany where they can fight it out. Instead of the current civil war in Sudan displacing millions and destroying infrastructure, each side could have just sent their best fighters over to Germany to settle things. Something to think about.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 2 points 23 hours ago

Fortnite but for geopolitical conflicts

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 26 points 2 days ago

Karl Marx City

this is what they took from us!

[-] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

if you can make it there, you'll make it anywhere

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago

Apparently gunther-fear had a red twin

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 20 points 2 days ago

This is absolutely bonkers. I don't even know where to start.

I'm glad he got basically no influence whatsoever in the actualy outcomes because we could be arguing over some really really stupid shit if people didn't reject his nonsense.

[-] Seasonal_Peace@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No, they should have let him cooked, I want saxony for the chechens

[-] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 days ago

Karl Marx City? Cmon be creative! Marxopolis! Karliningrad!

[-] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago

The DDR actually had a Karl Marx Stadt, but they picked Chemnitz instead of Berlin. That's like saying "let's rename NYC to Leninsville" and then instead of NYC, you rename Milwaukee.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

Fun fact: Leningrad (now St. Petersburg) and Milwaukee had an art exchange in 1989. One of the results was a peace mural, that was featured in Milwaukee Mitchell Airport for many years.

https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2022/03/22/plenty-of-horne-airports-soviet-peace-mural-covered-up/

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago

I suppose mapposting is timeless :o (as a mapnerd myself)

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago

I like this except the inflicting of germans on other places, just leave them there under the multinational occupations. Half the french zone should be algerian or syrian to replicate the british-british-indian split as well

[-] Pili@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago

We should discuss this, maybe we can still do it.

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

Pumped for 1 country 2 systems Dresden.

[-] volcel_olive_oil@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago
[-] REgon@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago

Anybody got the brainworm deprogramming about beria not actually being a creep?

[-] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

my impression is that it's real but haven't looked that deep into it. there's accounts of Stalin being freaked out that his daughter was alone with him iirc? also being real it's understandable that a guy suited for that position would have those kinds of tendencies. im sure it gets exaggerated and dramatised and stuff but it's pretty believable to me.

[-] CrookedSerpent@hexbear.net 20 points 2 days ago

I thought he just was a sex criminal. But idk I could be wrong

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago

Yeah I did too, but apparently that's red scare propaganda. Or allegedly, since I don't have the sources anymore, but I know someone here does

[-] real@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

Robert Fedvans had an episode on him a while back that didn’t seem too bullshit. My brainworms may just be libbing me up though.

[-] Babs@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

I have not heard anything exculpatory about Beria, he seems like a real bad dude, but Fedvans has a real big hateboner for the USSR and will happily take fictional events from movies as historical fact if they fit his biases.

[-] real@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, that seems about right

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

i trawled r/askhistorians, i can't account for beria's #1 fan living in a georgian bunker and printing defenses on a far right russian forum but:

cw:sv

spoiler

Many other people, both associates and victims, gave testimony as well, and the scenario that emerged, as in the Zhemchuzhina case back in 1949, came to focus on his sex life, with lurid allegations of multipleremoveds, forcible abduction of young women from the street, and so on. Although this subsequently entered into Soviet folklore, the story of Beria as a sexual predator seems, though not wholly unfounded, to have been wildly exaggerated. His own account under interrogation of how he conducted his relations with the women he had affairs with, including a young one picked out on the street for him by a subordinate, is basically supported by that of a singer claiming to have been his mistress, after catching his eye during a performance, who described seduction (admittedly under intimidating circumstances) rather thanremoved

from Sheila Fitzpatrick's On Stalin’s Team, seems to be the most cited and accepted take. he was a cop so it's very easy to believe, and the charges have some credibility from being unneeded to secure the death sentence, but it's also easy to see why exaggeration/fabrication could be in the interest of his detractors.

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

This is from /r/imaginarymaps btw

[-] Pili@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

To be fair, all borders are imaginary, even on official maps.

[-] borschtisgarbo@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago

My heart is broken

[-] PostyourJaggaHogs@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

This is hilarious i love it

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

Him and Morganthau should have gotten together, then we'd really get something going

[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

Tuvans can have little a Gotha, as a treat

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