Ukraine's Zelenskyy says he wants to end war with Russia through diplomacy next year (www.cbsnews.com)

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Kyiv would like to end the war with Russia next year through "diplomatic means" as both countries prepare for President-elect Donald Trump's return to the White House.

In an interview with the Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne, Zelenskyy said he is certain that the war will end "sooner" than it otherwise would have once Mr. Trump becomes president.

The prospect of Trump returning to power in the United States next year has raised questions about the future of the conflict, as the Republican has been critical of U.S. military aid to Kyiv.

Zelenskyy said that Ukraine "must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means."

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[-] Korkki@lemmy.world 1 points 46 minutes ago

What he likely means "ending the war by diplomatic means" is not talking or negotiating with Russia. No, that would be worst heresy imaginable. When he has previously talked about the use of diplomacy to find peace, what he really means is for Ukraine redouble it's efforts to beg for more money and weapons, but also get US and Europe to put more pressure on countries like China and India to ditch Putin and support Ukraine instead. Zelensky has talked along these lines before. Make his position seem reasonable to those who who want Ukraine to seek settlement, when it really isn't any different from "Zelensky's peace plan" that can be summed up in demand Russia's unconditional surrender as a precondition to any kind of dialogue.

I fear it's this kinda crazy talk that we are looking at. Zelensky or his inner circle just bring themselves to talk to the Russians, nor can they talk about things like giving up even places like Crimea. They just can't give an inch and we all know what happens to the reeds that don't bend with wind.

[-] _pi@lemmy.ml 2 points 27 minutes ago

Zelenskyy literally cannot advocate for negotiated peace. The Right wing nationalist elements of Ukraine's coalition will effectively murder him if that becomes his position. It remains to be seen what will happen to him when he's forced into it by the reality of the war and the waning of international support by his patron states.

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

zelensky-navi I want to end the war diplomatically, but only next year. Sorry, but some of our people need to die until I do what I already decided to do

It comes as German chancellor Olaf Scholz spoke with Mr Putin for the first time in nearly two years.

The German leader urged Mr Putin to pull his forces out of Ukraine and begin talks with Kyiv that would open the way for a “just and lasting peace”, the German government said.

The move was swiftly criticised by Mr Zelensky, who said the call had opened a “Pandora’s box” by undermining efforts to isolate the Russian leader.

“Now there may be other conversations, other calls. Just a lot of words,” said Mr Zelensky in his evening address on Friday. “And this is exactly what Putin has long wanted: it is extremely important for him to weaken his isolation and to conduct ordinary negotiations.”

zelensky-pain Diplomacy in 2024 is bad actually. Only next year!

Truly the hero of our time.

[-] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 12 points 5 hours ago

lmao the war in ukraine really was just a Democrat political project

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 hours ago

And their response to the genocide and pogroms in Palestine proved their hypocrisy.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 hours ago

i wonder if it was an american military industrial complex fueled excuse to create a new profit stream in a new proxy war between russia and nato.

ukraine is perfect because the russians will never give them up for a myriad of reasons and that guarantees that american military contractors will be able to milk profits from ukraine as a proxy battleground country for as long as both russia and the united states exist; longer than any of us here today.

[-] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 hours ago

The sanctions applied by the west have been the best thing that could have happened to the Russian economy in decades. Their import substitution policy accelerated and even after the war they will now have competitive industries that wouldn't have been considered economically viable had Russia continued to buy cheaper goods from the west. I sometimes think the continuation of the war is collusion by the US and Russia to keep both of their economies doing great at the expense of Europe, who are too busy with their hubris to realise they're getting screwed here.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 hours ago

i wonder how much of that economic progress will remain after the ukranian war.

[-] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 5 points 4 hours ago

It turns out actually making things is an important part of the economy and i don't think their increasing manufacturing capacity is going anywhere. And if the sanctions end it's even easier to keep making oil money

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 6 points 4 hours ago

The Russian ruling class would need to disabuse themselves of neoliberal dogmas

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

in that case: i wonder how much "soviet union" is still lives in russia and whether or not there's enough to keep the economic progress from vanishing.

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 7 points 5 hours ago

and the EU vassals went with it blindly

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 hours ago

Good news. Hopefully the bloodshed can be ended as soon as possible.

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 hours ago

The US won't allow it, the same way they didn't allow it the previous times.

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 17 points 6 hours ago

So it looks like it's finally happening?

[-] chillBurner@lemmy.ml 29 points 6 hours ago

The best time to take ceasefire was before.

The second best time is now

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 18 points 5 hours ago

And they're still going for the second worst option: later

(The worst option would be never)

If they know they're going to end the war diplomatically, why are they delaying? Extremely cruel to the people fighting today who know their deaths are meaningless, that they're only dying cause it's still early.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 9 points 5 hours ago

Zelenskyyyyyy Russian asset confirmed

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

I wonder how Zionist Biden would feel -if it all- once Russia annexes parts of Ukraine. Probably how he felt about Israel annexing Palestinian and Syrian lands. His underling Blinken even defended Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 hours ago

The best reason to end any war is to ask how everyone can just stop killing one another.

This is modern day civilization, not the barbarian hordes of Europe 1500 years ago.

We have a choice to act civilized or like our ignorant ancestors from thousands of years ago.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 hours ago

War is a necessity as long as Imperialism remains the dominant contradiction in the world, we need to move beyond Capitalism to move beyond war.

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Thousand years from now, the same statement will be made of us. We humans change little.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 hours ago

Humans change quite a bit depending on Mode of Production, which shapes culture and norms.

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

I absolutely disagree. Lots of history proves that we are still motivated by primal instincts of self preservation. It always comes down to that.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 hours ago

Lots of history proves that humans behaved differently based on the economic system in place. Why do you believe slavery has largely been abolished? Did humans suddenly change their minds about it?

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

You’re thinking to high level. I’m talking about what actually drives us. Slavery has been largely abolished (but not really) because it’s out of fashion. We haven’t fundamentally changed the way we think. We’re far more alike our ancient ancestors than we think.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 hours ago

No, slavery was abolished because of technological progress and changes in Mode of Production. I'm thinking in a Historical Materialist perspective, there wasn't a random beaming of empathy in humanity.

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago

Whatever, you’re missing the point.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago

No, I'm not. I am saying you are taking an abstract, idealist analysis that misses real historical motivations.

[-] CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

You dont have a point other than people bad. It's the most insipid, unthinking comment you could possibly make.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

The idea that it is possible to "diplomacy" your way out of conflict with a dictator is so absurd I want to laugh my ass off, but unfortunately it isn't funny at all.

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat, and now that he has his American buddy back in place, now with added musk funds, it is seriously delusional to think the situation is going to do anything other than escalate.

Zelenskyy is being beyond naive at best (I honestly don't believe he believes in what he's saying).

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

conflict with a dictator

Only one of these leaders is unelected, and it’s not the one you think.

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat

I doubt that, but its moot since Russia would inevitably win this war of attrition without having to do it. Also, the whole Russian meat grinder/meat wave thing is just recycled WWII Nazi war propaganda BS.

now that he has his American buddy back in place

CIA "Cooked The Intelligence" To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016

now with added musk funds

Right, Enron Musk is personally keeping the Russian economy afloat with his own money 😂 This one really takes the cake.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 hours ago

Wtf is with you people claiming you know what's best for these countries? Its like you're larping as the us state dept.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I'm not sure who "you people" are, but at no point did I claim to know what's best, but I sure as fuck know, from knowing history and paying attention, that tyranny doesn't go away by asking nicely. Never has, never will.

So a better question would be wtf is with you claiming you know anything at all about global conflict or fascism? Its like you’re ~~larping as~~ a wilfully ignorant and overly confident centrist who is happy to lay others lives on the line and let war rage on as long as we aren't mean to a dictator. 🙄

[-] CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

People who say "I know from history" oftentimes have the historical knowledge of a gamer.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

So I don't know how the Russian/Ukrainian war is going to go. I mean Trump is such a wild card it's hard to say. But I want to point out that your comment:

that tyranny doesn’t go away by asking nicely. Never has, never will.

Is very wrong. The weirdest thing is you state if you're paying attention. Well, if you're paying any attention what so ever, you'll see that tyranny regularly gets displaced by asking nicely. In fact, in recent history we have South Korea with a peaceful democratic transfer, Taiwan which also had a peaceful democratic transfer, Singapore and many others. And that's just recent history. Let alone all the Kingdoms that were displaced by democracy in history such as the UK. Heck, the UK still has a monarch and yet run in a democracy because of how peaceful the transfer was. Thailand as well. I could go on, but I think you get the point. In fact one of the MOST COMMON ways to go from Monarchy/Dictatorship to democracy is a peaceful transfer. Obviously that doesn't always happen, but it's quite common to simply ask nicely.

*Edit: Actually Ukraine ITSELF was a peaceful transfer from tyranny to democracy. That's the REASON Putin is angry and jealous of them. I mean you don't even have to look outside of the combatants to see a peaceful transfer. Which is gone now, but that doesn't take away that it happened.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

All I can say to this bizarre reply is that the whitewashed version of history (never mind current events, since some of those conflicts are still ongoing, violently, today) you were taught at school, or hear about in the msm isn't the reality, and that none of those conflicts were fucking peaceful, or came to a conclusion because those in power just decided to give it up.

Pick up a fucking book (or watch a video, or listen to a podcast, however you take information in, go and do that, but only if you can cope with challenging your bias, otherwise it becomes a completely pointless exercise)

E: Like, honestly, do you seriously believe there is any point in talking to Putin? Do you think an open and proud totalitarian known for throwing his opponents out of windows is a trustworthy person who will have good faith and stay true to his word? Do you fucking hear yourself???