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[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

it kind of sounds like he understands but doesn't care. and i think a leftist could thereby conclude that it was a bad depiction of the right if rightists can get some enjoyment out of it, but i would argue -- without totally endorsing the game as a profound political text -- that it rightly understands that fascism is a cult of rightful strength frustrated (betrayed, in their telling). given this, there's no way it wouldn't appeal to them, unless it told a left triumphalist narrative in which the right is weak, removed, easily defeated, and only propped up by means of deception and schemes, that is, if it told a rightist narrative for leftist ends. Gary the Cryptofascist needs a story where his guy is the strongest, coolest motherfucker on the planet but he still loses, because that's the only way he can understand his own circumstances.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If nazis and nazi ideology were only presented like a Mel Brooks movie, chuds wouldn't be able to comfortably absorb or emulate it. Too bad that isn't really a viable solution across media, especially because of the backlog of what they already absorbed and now emulate. walter-yell

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

I like Mel Brooks, I love The Producers, and I love similar movies like Jojo Rabbit, but where would a cyborg ninja come into those? Laughing in their faces is a lot of fun, but eventually you have to start cutting their heads off.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

I like Mel Brooks, I love The Producers, and I love similar movies like Jojo Rabbit, but where would a cyborg ninja come into those?

I actually can imagine a cyborg ninja in a Mel Brooks style movie, and I would pay to see that. sicko-wistful

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For the highest profit they need to appeal to all the audiences. For profit writing will always choose to make the bad guys as strong and as cool as possible in order to offset the fact that framing them as the bad guys has potential to alienate a part of the potential audience who finds themselves on that side.

You could make them snivelling weasels nobody would like quite easily. But it would be less appealing to part of the audience. The choice to write them as strong and cool is a profit driven one.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think you would still have strong and cool villains, yes even fascist ones, without profit motive because strong and cool villains are just fun to write. If every villain was a sniveling weasel media wouldn't be very much fun. I like a good charismatic villain.

And I mean, its also reflective of reality. Some real world "villains" ARE strong/coolaesthetically/charming/charismatic/interesting/complicated/(initially has good motives but goes off the rails with their methods)/havegoodqualitiesaswell ect ect. Its good to have a variety.

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

You could make them snivelling weasels nobody would like quite easily. But it would be less appealing to part of the audience. The choice to write them as strong and cool is a profit driven one.

Hence why Tolkien wins (in this very narrow thing, the rest is a bit cringe ) Grima Wormtongue is an absolutely detestable low-level villain that nobody thinks is cool, but he's also the reason Saruman, one of the "cooler" villains, dies, both in the book and in the movies.

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Gotta throw down a mostly unrelated fact cause I saw Wormtongue mentioned. I've seen meme being like "Tolkien, master of language, names a traitorous dude Wormtongue. And yeah, the rohirrim speak ango saxon and worm comes from warm as in dragon and tongue from tong as in sword. He's Grima dragonsword in universe. The Rohirrim literally speak Anglo Saxon

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[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

zizek-theory
sniff Zhe downfall of irony ish that itsh humor comesh from maintaining a dishtance from that which it critiquesh, a dishtance sniff which makesh it eashy to co-opt. Think of conshervatives watching zhe Colbert Report thinking it'sh their version of the daily show and sho-on and sho-forth. sniff Only that art which over-identifiesh with itsh target and embracesh those worst esshential ashpects of it, like zhe polish punk band that dresshesh up in nazi regalia, can avoid such co-optshion.

thonk-trans
O wise, learned anti-Tito anti-Yugo scholar, wouldn't that make the art indistinguishable from that which it critiques?

zizek-fuck

[-] Grimble@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I love how in hindsight everything Zizek ever says is just tricking the left into acting more embarrassing. How did we not notice

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

The curtains are blue

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’ve noticed that when leftists see a sympathetic villain who’s also cartoonishly evil for the sake of plot, the villain will be critiqued to death and ultimately, there’s either critical support or no support for dumb writing.

But conservatives will see a caricature of themselves and have zero reflection and become jealous that there’s no one as evil as that villain in real life for them to support. Like, I know a lot of people on here who enjoyed Death of Stalin despite its liberalism, but I can only imagine conservatives threatening to kill the director of Death of Trump and following through

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Thars cause we believe in something and they don't

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I told you all that "Armstrong was right actually" chuds were real! I told you! i-told-you-dog

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Peace Walker has Big Boss compared to Che. Rising is for chuds. MGS is the ultimate centrist game.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago
[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That is the go to, the gold standard for what these kind of people think "politics" is. Its hilarious and non-euclidian dusturbing at the same time

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[-] StellarTabi@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

MGS has bad guys? I just assumed it was an offbrand mecha anime in the shape of a game

[-] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

IDK if you're joking, but mecha anime are extremely political.

Also this is the guy they're talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4JLQQvAx4U

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago
[-] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Where's that Green text about people being idiots who will blindly agree with even the most absurd villains so long as they're charismatic enough? Ironically, specifically about Armstrong?

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