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[-] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 158 points 1 year ago

Here are the people responsible for the nH Predict AI tool that they knew has a 90% error rate when denying claims:

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 33 points 1 year ago

Boomer trash are always there to grift

They got such eggshells egos too.

[-] shirro@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I shouldn't still need to point this out but most boomers are poor. They also have a lot of medical issues and are mistreated by the health system and aged care. They are also mentally abused by cynical political strategists that target their fears and drive them half crazy.

If you haven't noticed the wealth divide is increasing and the rich are getting further away from regular people. That is happening despite rich boomers dying. Their wealth is being inherited and their replacements are just as mean.

Anytime you see a divisive comment like old.people, immigrants, trans are at fault question the source and if it is worth repeating. Its possible a lot of such comments originate in enemies of free societies. Community is important. It's the foundation for a fair and peaceful society. We can't have community while we have this mindset of excluding the other.

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[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago

“We are sorry, the algorithm said you should die, soooooo….”

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 19 points 1 year ago

Nothing we can do, nobody at fault. This just how things are

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I sort of see why UHC would go in this direction. Case law (as in understand it) around AI and algorithms is that they can't be ~~blamed~~ held accountable on how they make decisions. Because they are black boxes, they are given a pass.

When a human reviews and denies a claim, it can be scrutinized, making it possible for the human to be reviewed and discredited. And a human might even gasp approve a case.

When it's AI, it can't be reviewed. It can be blamed, but with no responsibility, it can't be sued.

We really need more regulation around algorithms and AI or more shit like this is going to happen.

Edit: wording

[-] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 12 points 1 year ago

But AI is a tool, it's like saying you can't sue the gun I shot you with so you just need to suck it up.

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[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 76 points 1 year ago

Could people stop sharing this image of the guy who clearly was not the murderer?!

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seriously. I am almost 100% the guy in the picture was my waiter at the Boathouse restaurant, in Disney Springs (Florida), on the night of the shooting. The person in the picture was nowhere near the state of New York.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 12 points 1 year ago
[-] microphone900@lemmy.ml 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here's an article from last year to add a little more context.

UnitedHealth uses the algorithm to "prematurely and in bad faith discontinue payment for healthcare services," the complaint said.

"This is an example of how AI is being utilized not to help people but to line the pockets of corporations and their shareholders," Clarkson said.

When these coverage denials are appealed to federal administrative law judges, about 90% are reversed, the complaint said, demonstrating the "blatant inaccuracy" of the algorithm. Only a tiny fraction of patients appeal the denials at all, Clarkson said.

Also, UnitedHealth said they stopped using the algorithm, turns out they just renamed it and are now using it to deny or reduce mental health treatments. How UnitedHealth’s Playbook for Limiting Mental Health Coverage Puts Countless Americans’ Treatment at Risk

[-] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 year ago

Ah, yes, creating more work for an already overloaded legal and healthcare system, while pocketing the profits from people who won't fight it. Man, I LOVE capitalism...

[-] 108@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

So his decisions resulted in others deaths?

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 27 points 1 year ago

Insurance companies practice medicine without a license all the time and those practices result in death. We are just supposed to pretend that's the correct way to live.

[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Totally unrelated question, but did Hitler actually directly kill anyone? Mao? Or was it just through their directing of others?

[-] teegus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Well, Hitler did kill at least one person..

[-] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Sigh... Yea but he also killed the guy that killed hitler

[-] limerod@reddthat.com 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How did he even manage to sleep knowing this was the job he did.

[-] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 1 year ago

On piles of money, I'm sure.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 year ago

dragons are a parable

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[-] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 42 points 1 year ago

Abstraction. These people are in such a different class compared to the average person that they basically don't associate with them, so they never see the consequence of their downright evil actions... up until a scorned man with nothing to lose makes them very clear very quickly.

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 1 year ago

Do you cry everytime you step on a bug?

[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Personally? I don't even kill bugs I find inside. They are taken outside. When my cat destroys the occasional lizard, I have to euthanize them rather than let them die slowly in pain or throwing them outside to die out of sight. I cry then usually.

I think a lot of CEOs aren't capable of empathy, or have been so detached to human cost by the many layers of numbers and intermediaries between

[-] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 8 points 1 year ago

Probably would if it shot me

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I wonder what's going to go through his familys minds when it all settles.

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 15 points 1 year ago

They got generational wealth out of it.

I wouldn't worry about them... People Brian Thompson murdrr and their families didn't get nothing.

Never forget

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not worrying about them, I'm just curious. For example, Do they feel any kind of remorse because they were impacted? I mean they didn't before

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[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago
[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

The most defining trait of Sociopaths and Psychopaths is having no empathy, so for people like this the suffering of others, be it of their own making or not, has about as much emotional impact as the "suffering" of a leaf of lettuce when they eat it or of a piece of paper they crumple and thrown in the trashcan.

This also means that, amongst other things, they feel no guilt whatsoever (would you feel guilt from eating a leaf of lettuce?!) and will sleep like babies with the blood of thousands on their hands.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 37 points 1 year ago

"Look, if we allow these claims then everyone sick will file claims. The hit on our profit margin would be terrible!"

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 29 points 1 year ago

You don’t understand. This man was a pillar of empathy and dedicated his life to improving access to healthcare.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 15 points 1 year ago

Found the shareholder. /s

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Yup, I was in an AI/ML training session about a year ago, and there were a few hospital execs there too. They were absolutely giddy about the prospect of using AI to deny care to unprofitable patients.

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[-] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

The ai they use is also not intended to separate those who need care from those who don't, instead the ai is meant to separate those who would successfully appeal against the decision from those who wouldn't. This is how the UHC denial rate was able to shoot up so fast: from 10.9% in 2020 to 32% in 2023. There have to be a lot of excess deaths, personal bankruptcies and homelessness hiding behind that statistic.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's at least one chronic pain patient who allegedly took it out on one CEO, causing one excess death. It'll be nuts if his jury nullifies his alleged crime

[-] Salvo@aussie.zone 12 points 1 year ago

A computer program that returns “denied” in all situations is not an AI.

[-] Espiritdescali@futurology.today 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
function DetermineClaim(input) {
    return "denied";
}
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[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Deposed. I would not use the m word. Its in the tos.

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[-] eleitl@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

What an all around nice guy.

[-] Nelots@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Truly a shame he got unjustly murdered. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

[-] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_murder

When one individual inflicts bodily injury upon another such that death results, we call the deed manslaughter; when the assailant knew in advance that the injury would be fatal, we call his deed murder. But when society places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death, one which is quite as much a death by violence as that by the sword or bullet; when it deprives thousands of the necessaries of life, places them under conditions in which they cannot live – forces them, through the strong arm of the law, to remain in such conditions until that death ensues which is the inevitable consequence – knows that these thousands of victims must perish, and yet permits these conditions to remain, its deed is murder just as surely as the deed of the single individual

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Ridiculously photogenic working class hero

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

now you know the real reason for ai existence. making more money for those that have too much

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