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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Can we start taking seriously people who come to CTH/Hexbear malding about Assad's shitty regime to the point of calling Kurdish/Minority groups in Northeast Syria "traitors", among other things?

I'm personally subtweeting a particular post on here already but there are at least 3 different users I've seen posting stuff that is beyond the usual critique of YPG-American working relationship (which is a fair critique that has evidently hurt the revolution).

Stuff like:

  • X group within north east Syria are "traitors"

  • North East Syria houses "anti Turkish" groups that engage in illicit activities such as drug smuggling or terrorism.

  • Sympathy or apologism for Turkish-backed jihadism in Syria, whether by the SNA or HTS or other groups.

  • Attempts to portray the SDF/SDC as a "Kurdish" administration or armed group, minimising the majority Arab role in the region.

  • Red flag but not necessarily suspect, but using "PYD/YPG/PKK" is usually a sign a source or poster is parroting a Turkish source.

Should Not be tolerated on this instance. It is reactionary, reductionist, and revisionist to the political, economic, and social revolution and its consequences for the Syrian people.


I was on CTH before it was banned and I know that was years ago, but there needs to be some serious internal criticism if in those years we went from (critical) support for the revolution to blind adoration for the Assad regime that served Syria up on a plate for jihadist and Zionist bandits.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

some people are kinda blinded by funny memes here. i wonder if they actually effect their real world opinions joker-gaming

the biggest thing people here dont like is the kurds allying with america to the point of joint operations (the usa once provided air support for the sdf/ypg and seemingly extracts oil from them as well), but frankly everything in the middle east is often very dirty and muddled and a giant clusterfuck due to imperialism so having the perfect leftist faction isnt really an option. in a geopolitical sense it also was better for damascus to be in control and send arms to palestinians from iran, but that supply line is now cut and lebanon and palestine are in a very hostile situation now. the SDF did limit operations against the syrian government for the longest time and had a deal with assad which was interesting.

[-] janny@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

I'm personally subtweeting a particular post on here already but there are at least 3 different users I've seen posting stuff that is beyond the usual critique of YPG-American working relationship (which is a fair critique that has evidently hurt the revolution).

yeah we literally have evidence now that assad rejected working with the kurds to resolve the civil war because he thought he could sell his country out to the UAE so he could continue to be racist against the kurds.

this was more excusable before we had that article revealing this but anyone still parroting assadist talking points is just being willingly ignorant.

[-] Fishroot@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

this was more excusable before we had that article revealing this but anyone still parroting assadist talking points is just being willingly ignorant.

I might sound like I'm Coping, but I never understand how Assad's regime is perceived as the backbone of the resistance when the regime is basically a fancier version of a gunrunner, Assad used to be a darling of the West where the west have sent suspected terrorist to be tortured in this country (granted Jordan and Egypt did the same). The Regime has opportunity to negotiate an end to the conflict (as Iran and Russia suggested years ago), but they never did.

As this point, the regime really bought this on themselves. Yes the regime of HST is not going to be good for anyone, but Assad stagnant governance created a environment for Nepotism and corruption not unlike the Karzai's regime. What is also buried under the whole critical support is that the Assads also cracked down on a lot of the opposition which included communists and Palestinian militant groups to insure the survival of the Regime.

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Assad's regime was not really a backbone of anything, not even itself. But it was a sine qua non condition for the resistance to even exist. Without Syria it becomes very difficult if not impossible to supply Hezbollah, reducing Lebanon to the country it was designed to be: something that can be easily occupied at Israel's leisure. Likewise since Syria no longer has much of an army, it too is having even more of its land occupied at Netanyahu's whim.

That said, I do agree that at one point we were gonna cross this bridge. Even if Baa'thist Syria wasn't a dead end, Assad was not particularly good at bucking that trend.

[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

But the USA uses these groups to steal Syria's oil, which played a large part in the economic conditions that lead to the downfall of the Syrian state. Such a reality cannot be waved away.

Attempts to portray the SDF/SDC as a "Kurdish" administration or armed group, minimising the majority Arab role in the region

Didn't the SDF just retreat from Deir ez-Zor, initially taking it after the SAA abandoned their positions there, because the people of Deir ez-Zor did not want to be under their governance, and want to be under the governance of whoever controls Damascus? There were mass protests against them in the city.

Of course any terrorist apologa for HTS/SNA, or any Turkish supremacist positions, support for the Turkish bombing campaign against the SDF, and any anti Kurdish rhetoric, should not be tolerated. But realities cannot be ignored. The SDF played a part in the collapse of the Syrian state by allying with the United States. I have a feeling that the United States will abandon them soon (as they have done previously), because from a US perspective, their role has been fulfilled, to help collapse the state of Syria.

"Assad's shitty regime" was the only thing preventing what has happened over the past 72 hours, a mass Israeli bombing campaign, the largest in their history, which has eliminated the military and scientific capabilities of the Syrian state, with over 400 strikes in the last 72 hours, and an Israeli invasion of southern Syria, with Israeli troops 20km from Damascus. Without the SAA's integrated air defence system being operational, Israel has been able to bomb Syria freely in a way that was never possible beforehand. Assad's regime also prevented the executions of minority groups by ISIS ideologues, something that has been happening at a high rates since the fall of the government. Yes Assad was a tinpot dictator in many ways, with him and his brother doing terrible things, but this was better than the alternative, which has happened now, and will continue to happen. Israel is not going to stop until someone stops them, and HTS/SNA will continue with their jihadist-salafist ISIS like behaviour until someone stops them. In the past that was the SAA with Russian, Hezbollah and Iranian support, but that no longer exists. And the equipment they used to do that no longer exists for the new Syrian state either, Israel has destroyed it. I support the SDF in their fights against the SNA and Turkey, but I feel that the outcome of such, with the SDF retreating over the past few days, is not looking positive.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Didn't the SDF just retreat from Deir ez-Zor, initially taking it after the SAA abandoned their positions there, because the people of Deir ez-Zor did not want to be under their governance, and want to be under the governance of whoever controls Damascus? There were mass protests against them in the city

it's difficult to gauge the 'consent' in like a week of actually being there, some people protested but did they represent a majority opinion? who knows. the big reason to retreat was israel destroying the leftover SAA defenses so they'd be fucked when the FSA? or whoever show up, whereas they've got an established and intact defensive line on the other side of the river.

incidentally israel blowing SAA equipment in SDF or recently occupied SDF territory is a strong indication israel is not actually considering the SDF an ally or proxy

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think despite the PYDs flaws they (The DFNS) are the closest thing to a "good" side in the whole Syrian shitshow. Of course they made the shit decision to accept US support, but they were also sane enough to work with Assad as much as practicable while trying to maintain internal autonomy.

They, Hezbollah, and Assad were the only sane actors in the whole thing, and with HB distracted and Assad gone I can only hope there's enough infighting to protect them from being double teamed by Israel and Turkey

[-] Clippy@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago
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