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What does it take in terms of assets, abilities, and/or income for you to consider them wealthy?

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[-] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 101 points 1 month ago

Of course, rich is a relative descriptor, like tall or heavy, some people are richer than others.

I would call anyone who doesn't need to work in order to live (i.e. who can live off investments and interest) rich.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

This is apt, because I know people who earn six figures but work 60 hours a week and are living paycheck to paycheck. They're not poor, but they're not rich.

[-] wirelesswire@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 month ago

A 6 figure salary while living in midwestern USA or elsewhere with low CoL is very different from living in most areas along the coast.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

I would call anyone who doesn't need to work in order to live (i.e. who can live off investments and interest) rich.

Some caveats I would add: (1) Excluding receivers of pensions and/or other benefits.
(2) Without moving to a different country. I could retire today, if I moved to a low cost of living country.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

For (2), in that country, you would be rich.

[-] Elextra@literature.cafe 5 points 1 month ago

Sorry for linking back to the R word. But FIRE comes to mind with your post

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[-] palebluethought@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

There are two thresholds that matter: "rich" is where you no longer have to really think much about money on a day to day basis, and "wealthy" is where you no longer have to work for a living. Both thresholds depend on your expenses and the lifestyle you're looking for, I guess

[-] will_a113@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 month ago

I was about to type something very similar, but switching words. “Wealthy” to me implies having enough wealth to not really worry. “Rich” makes me think of Lamborghinis and yachts and mountains of cocaine.

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[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 32 points 1 month ago

When you could stop working and just coast off of what you've got till you die. At that point, making more is a luxury.

[-] CaptainThor@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

That’s a really good answer, wealth comes with options

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[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 29 points 1 month ago

For me, being wealthy would mean that if they never intentionally earned another penny for the rest of their life, that would not prevent them from doing anything that they wanted to do within reason.

For normal people that would mean between two and five million dollars in liquid assets available to them.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

I liked it back when the aristocracy was just called the "leisure" class. At least they didn't spend their time playing at being an executive and pretending they earned what they have.

[-] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you can basically do whatever you want and the cost is of little to no concern, you're rich.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 11 points 1 month ago

Eh I'll adjust that a bit to "and you're not required to work 40 hours a week to do so". If you are living well and still working, then I'd still say congrats, but that's not rich, that's supposed to be the top end of middle class. (If it is anymore, well, who knows).

The big kicker is if tomorrow they lay you off, are you nervous or worried? Not rich then, the rich would shrug it off and take a few months or years off doing whatever they like. If your first thought when you get laid off is "how long will my savings last" or "I need to find another job", congrats! Not rich.

But if you don't need to work (or you're someone like a board member or executive who shows up for 10 hours a week and claim they "work", then no, your rich, you have enough were you don't have to work anymore.

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[-] bluGill@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

There are very few people who feel this way. CEOs making millions per year feel like they need to work - their mansions, airplanes and such cost so much money they don't dare not work. It never occurs to them they could live like the rest of us.

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[-] kalkulat@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

If you could retire and have enough to keep you comfortably housed and insured until you're 90, that's wealth enough.

[-] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

My definition for myself to be rich is:

I have enough money that I can pay someone(s) yearly wage to manipulate my wealth into enough money to cover their salary and then some.

[-] rbn@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Personally, I'd consider myself rich. I live in Germany which is already among the richer countries in the world giving me access to an insane amount of infrastructure and opportunities. Furthermore, I work for an IT company and make more money than average and more than I need to satisfy my immediate needs (shelter, food, transportation etc.) and pay for my hobbies (mostly outdoor stuff). I might not be a millionaire and I can't just retire tomorrow but still I'm very aware of what a huge privilege I have compared to a vast part of humanity.

Personally, I think already my taxes are too low. Not to start about millionaires or billionaires.

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[-] Meltrax@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

$5 million of spare money. Not net total wealth but actually $5 million investable dollars.

At that point, I'd you stick that money in a very conservative and safe brokerage account allocation, 5% return per year is $250k. That is a higher salary than almost anyone needs, meaning you can live very comfortably without working. You can't buy a yacht but you can be "done" and so can your children and their children if they aren't stupid.

If you choose to work, then you can just reinvest that $250k and let compound interest do its thing and get richer. Lucky you.

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[-] Brutticus@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

The tiers for me are: Doesn't worry about money -> Doesn't work -> Can afford a US senator to protect money. There are not titles for this kind of thing.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago

I consider anything above $500k to be "well off". Once you start to pass $10M, that's truly wealthy. $1B rhymes with obscene

[-] Norin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Someone for whom the normal and inevitable experiences of suffering (illness, death in the family, natural disaster, etc) have no real economic consequences.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Anyone who can forego any form of future income and live off their current wealth for the rest of their life in relative luxury/comfort.

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

We need a new word beyond rich. Everyone takes rich as a personal achievable goal.

We need a word for someone who has more money than is healthy. An easy to use word.

They are so rich they no longer know the cost of things. They can't relate to their neighbors. They no longer need to be a part of their community to survive.

[-] incogtino@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago
[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

That's a good one

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Second house is immediately qualifying.

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[-] DankDingleberry@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

not having to work and still get to live comfortably and afford most of the things you desire

[-] Jourei@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Someone who has everything they could possibly need and no bad debt. Does not need to be rich.

[-] SomGye@dormi.zone 4 points 1 month ago

Being able to not worry about food, gas, standard bills and actually have something in savings

[-] dosaki@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

It's sad that affording basic necessities and having a bit of a financial cushion is considered rich.

[-] SomGye@dormi.zone 3 points 1 month ago

It is indeed. Everyone I personally know is struggling and hoping for better days while working a ton.

[-] theherk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Access to a warm fire to dance around, food and libations, and friends to share them with.

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

Anybody who doesn't have to work for the rest of their life because it's voluntary + they don't really have to look at the price tags of the things they want.

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[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 3 points 1 month ago

You can cure rich with a weekend in Vegas, Wealth is terminal.

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[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Bezos is not wealthy. He just has a lot of money. I can't imagine he's found any real happiness with it. Sure a brand new Ferrari every week can buy you some happiness, but that's short lived.

The man has a serious mental illness that will not be addressed, because he has too much money and power for anyone to be allowed to tell him he's ill.

Billionaires are a danger to themselves and others. They should be admitted into a mental hospital against their will and they should be treated until they are cured.

This isn't even a "CEO bad" joke. I honestly believe it's a mentally disorder. Or maybe a specific mix of different disorders and unfortunate environments, circumstances and enablers.

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[-] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Living in London and working in the City so long really skewed my view on this. I guess because I worked with so many people earning six figures (and double that for household income) who were still very much "workers", were paying off the mortgage and hated commuting like anyone else. They didn't seem rich to me. Maybe if they sold up and moved out of town, sure, but just trying to live day to day they were counting the cost like an average person just up-scaled.

I feel like being able to live off passive income / interest AND living where you want is where "rich" starts for me. I could live off passive income now, in a basic place far from London but I'm not "rich". I can live pretty much where I want in London, but I'd have to continually work for it. Being able to do either of these things would put me in many people's "rich" bracket but for me it's when you can do both at the same time.

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[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

It's always "wealthier than us", isn't it?

But I'd say whenever you have no money worries, that's wealthy. Like you could retire today if you wanted and not just survive but buy a new car or house if you wanted to, go on a long vacation, anything that just needs money to do is within your reach. Never have to say no simply because of money. That is what I define as wealth (financial wealth) and it's different amounts in different places.

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