Mitt Romney Admits Push to Ban TikTok Is Aimed at Censoring the Palestinian Genocide. : usa

[-] josefo@leminal.space 4 points 6 hours ago

What a shitty government you have if the truth puts it on danger. I see why Russia and China appeal to this information (and misinformation) war, seems like the US people has grown to be very gullible, so whoever controls the narrative, controls them. And totally self inflicted, your own government did this to you so they could control you better.

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 5 points 5 hours ago

And Amerikkka plays the information war too. I’m remembering a CIA operation to spread vaccine misinformation in the Philippines.

If China and Russia are “bad” because of the information war, Amerikkka is at the very least just as guilty. At the very least.

[-] josefo@leminal.space 2 points 3 hours ago

It's just another cold war, being fight with bots and social engineering. I wonder how future historians are going to call this period, as also involves trading supply chains.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Everyone moving to The Little Red Book (or "RedNote") is creating some very funny interactions, lmao. Super cute honestly

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 23 points 15 hours ago

So let me get this straight....

The Tiktok ban, that was first proposed in Jan 2020, and was banned from government devices in Dec 2022, was getting first drafts for laws banned in Dec 2022, another law was proposed to block in nationwide in Jan 2023, was further restricted in March of 2023, and was signed into law to banned Tiktok nation wide on April 2023 (to be completely removed by Jan 2025) is solely being done to censor information about a conflict that started in Oct 2023...

Yeah, check outs. 👍

[-] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 12 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

If you make the point simpler it works. "We are banning tiktok because it is a social media platform we have no ability to censor" with this in mind it makes sense to say "its because of isreal-palastine" because that is just a facet of not having control over platform censorship.

If you really believe that when they say they are getting rid of tiktok it is for national security you're a fucking rube, they have been taking away our freedoms for decades under the guise of national security, they sure as fuck dont consider it any sort of threat that any of the American social media platform would sell your data do a hostile foreign power. They want it gone because A) they cannot control what spreads on it, and B) their rich owners arnt profiting from it.

If you want to argue that any social media platform dying is a good thing, then i can at least sympathize (thought id argue this isnt a step in the direction of getting rid of social media in general), but if you think banning tiktok is about anything more than corruption you're a rube.

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com -3 points 7 hours ago

If you make the point simpler it works. "We are banning tiktok because it is a social media platform we have no ability to censor"

I won't argue against that.

with this in mind it makes sense to say "its because of isreal-palastine" because that is just a facet of not having control over platform censorship.

This part is illogical though. Claiming that due to a future event, we went back in time to block/and-or control a message makes no sense. This was my entire point. They are blocking it for many reasons and have been for years, but claiming the whole reason they spent years attempting to block it because of a single event that happened years later makes no sense.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 hours ago

single event that happened years later makes no sense.

The genocide of palestinians didn't begin in 2022. And the above commenter is correct, the US wants full control of its social media in order to spread pro-US foreign policy views, and tiktok is a threat to that.

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com -2 points 5 hours ago

The genocide of palestinians didn't begin in 2022

Never said it did. I did say/indicate that it was never a social/political issue until 2023. Things can happen for a long time, but take a sudden change to make it a big issue.

In fact, please, I would love to see anything political about Israel/Palestine in US politics/policy attempting/intended to make Israel look better on regards to Palestine (as is implied in the article) that predates Oct 2023. As you've, and others, have pointed out (I already knew, since it dates to biblical times), that it's been an issue for so long, then this should be simple. It keeps trying to be pointed out that the Oct 2023 event seemed to mean nothing about it, so you or anyone else should have no problems with this.

Bonus points for showing how it relates to Tiktok before that date too, which again with everyone's insistence about it, should be no problems at all.

[-] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Claiming that due to a future event

You misunderstand, I am saying that the original idea can be about inability to control. Then seeing anti isreal sentiment on tiktok, and you can say "see we were right, this is what we knew would happen".

Or in other words, congress doesnt exist in a time void, they have the ability to predict future outcomes and legislate against them. You dont have to know isreal palastine is going to be the new thing, but you know that there will be a next thing and 100% it will play poorly if you cant control the narrative (i.e. lie to people)

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 hours ago

The law was April 2024, so you know, after October 2023. The sudden political push to get that done instead of stall out line 2020-2023 is what's being talking about.

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 0 points 8 hours ago

Sorry, I confused it with to the RESTRICT act (Mar 2023), which is similar to the 2024 law.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

You referenced March 2023 as a restriction though, so it seems like you were aware. Between March 2023 and April 2024 something changed the political momentum, which is plainly stated, though you're refuting with what appears to be an incorrect timeline.

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 1 points 4 hours ago

I referenced March 2023, because it's when the RESTRICT act passed which limited Tiktok. I also referenced April 2023 as a total public ban because I mixed it with the date that Montana banned public usage of Tiktok, which was followed by 2024 bill "Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act", being a public ban like Montana, but also close to the RESTRICT act. Similar acts, close dates.

And I am only refuting what the article is claiming, that the Tiktok banned is solely about improving the image of Israel in regards to Palestine, because until Oct 2023, it wasn't US political issue so wouldn't have had anything to do with the ban. There never was a reference to anything about israel, Palestine, and Tiktok before that date. Which is the opposite of what this article claims.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

Which is the opposite of what this article claims.

It is an article from May 2024 describing where Blinken and Romney explictly state the political push to get the law passed was directly influenced by TikTok demonstrating pro-Palestinian perspectives.

Also of note they didn't rule out extending similar action to entities similar to TikTok.

[-] normanwall@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I don't think it's the reason

The Israelis have effectively been committing genocide in slow motion for decades

[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

The real reason is the American Oligarchs don't like foreign competition to their data collection.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 15 hours ago

The second someone starts showing American war crimes they are a security risk. But Americans somehow still believe in free speech.

[-] Makhno@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

The second someone starts showing American war crimes they are a security risk. But Americans somehow still believe in free speech.

What country are you from? I'd love to know where a government exists that doesn't lie to its people/hide its own crimes.

And for the record, no Americans under the age of 60 I know actually believe the shit we're fed. If anything, we're just becoming more and more apathetic towards the truth and the lies. Even if we know the truth and scream it from the rooftops, it does nothing. They've polluted the truth so much it's become too much of a burden for many to want to deal with.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago

no Americans under the age of 60 I know actually believe the shit we’re fed

"No one is immune to propaganda" means you too buddy

[-] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

Even if we know the truth and scream it from the rooftops, it does nothing. They’ve polluted the truth so much it’s become too much of a burden for many to want to deal with.

If you havent, you should watch an Adam Curtis documentary called "The Power Of Nightmares"

[-] psyklax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 109 points 1 day ago

This is the real reason for the ban.

"National security" just translates to "public opinion of the war(s)"

[-] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 9 points 7 hours ago

Its more simplified to "lack of ability to control the narrative" and also "My billionaire masters cant turn a profit from it"

[-] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

It has diverted traffic and money away from sites such as Twitter, FB and Amazon after TT videos called them out and offered alternatives or avoiding completely/anticonsumerism perspectives.

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[-] Trilobite@lemm.ee 40 points 1 day ago

I guess I am going to give my kids access to my VPN I don't trust the government at all any more

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 13 points 22 hours ago

You should absolutely have your kids use a VPN.

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[-] Nasan@sopuli.xyz 44 points 1 day ago

Mitt Romney might just be the only member of the GOP with at least a single honest bone in his body.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 59 points 1 day ago

So that's who the democrats will run in 2028

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[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 43 points 1 day ago

Still an evil fuck.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago

Yeah, its just nice when they're honest about it.

US republicans will be like: "8 men should own this country and everyone else can die in the gutter". US democrats will be like: "We need to reframe the conversation about the lived experiences of so many of our constituents, and reach solutions that include these realities [policies not different from those above]".

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