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Lol. Lmao, even. Honest to god what even is the plan here?

Anyway, link to the post

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[-] Rom@hexbear.net 84 points 2 days ago

Me watching America shoot itself in the foot at every turn sit-back-and-enjoy

[-] Hermes@hexbear.net 48 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

noelle-choke <- When [Iran/China/Russia] shoots itself in the foot

sit-back-and-enjoy <- When the [U$/EU] shoots itself in the foot

This is dielectrics.

Who is making decisions in the US? I don't think a Maoist could do a better job at fucking stuff up than whoever is actually pulling the strings.

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago

Big Sideshow Bob energy.

Step 1: Step on rake

Step 2: Groan

Step 3: Repeat

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

xigma-male do nothing, win.

[-] regul@hexbear.net 56 points 2 days ago

Plan? There's no plan.

But they definitely will start drawing down from the strategic reserve in Alaska.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 43 points 2 days ago

Unironically in favor. US gas prices are far lower than they should be, which produces a bunch of knock-on effects like car dependency and demand for car-centric living. Yes, it's going to be painful, but I think it will be worth it if we get good pedestrian/mass transit/urban infrastructure out of it.

[-] RION@hexbear.net 66 points 2 days ago

if we get good pedestrian/mass transit/urban infrastructure out of it.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 31 points 2 days ago

I can dream, okay?

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

it will be worth it if we get good pedestrian/mass transit/urban infrastructure

We won't get anything.

We'll get expensive gas and still won't be able to ride our bikes to work.

They hate us.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

Generally, yeah, you're probably right. That said, a lot of times these things are directly controlled on a MUCH more local level than you might think. It's well worth your while to start showing up to city council meetings and giving them what for; at worst, it's a fun hobby that's affordable and the cops can't stop you from enjoying. If your experience is like mine, though, it'll put you in contact with other like-minded individuals with whom you can network, organize, and push for change. It's how I ended up on my city's bicycle commission.

Going even further, a lot of times, local elections are pretty accessible and have much lower barriers to entry. If you have the time and gumption, you could run for local office for a pretty low cost, especially if you've spent some time networking with other local advocates.

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[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago

Yeah but knowing the US, if it does result in mass transit, it will likely be privately owned so it somehow costs more, delivers less and takes twice as long.

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[-] Idontevenknowanymore@mander.xyz 18 points 2 days ago

Yeah if there's a plan and a mechanism for change. He's just going to pump stock prices for his buddies while convincing his base that we need a 51st state and we'll all be totally fucked when the billionaires finish getting all the money. This is not a case where doing the wrong thing will lead to the right outcome. We're just fucked.

[-] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago

if we get good pedestrian/mass transit/urban infrastructure out of it

[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago

I was hoping to get back into biking once spring starts rearing its head. ❤️

[-] stink@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Same. Gained some weight over the winter since it's too damn cold to bike anywhere!

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 48 points 2 days ago

Maybe the plan is to further juice the US oil industry? With the price of Canadian crude up, refineries will prefer to buy from US producers. As long as they jack up their own prices by less than 25% they'll still scoop up Canada's lost customers.

Funny enough I think this will make oil cheaper in Canada?

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago

I think the shock it would cause immediately in both countries would shoot prices up

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Oh they'll shoot up in the US, but I don't see that happening in Canada. They're going to be hit with a drop in demand from US refineries and either be forced to cut prices to overcome the tariff, go to other markets, or overproduce.

They might be able to just sell to other markets and not have to cut prices much, though.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The thing is that refineries are designed around refining specific types/qualities of crude. The US produces a lot of light (low viscosity) and sweet (low sulfur) crude oil, but a lot of our refineries are actually set up to refine heavy (high viscosity) and sour (high sulfur) crude, because it's cheaper to buy and more advanced refineries can make a larger profit on it. And as you might have guessed, most of the crude produced is Canada is heavy sour crude. A lot of the majors/super majors will pump light and sweet US crude and then export a good portion of it overseas to countries that don't have the same refining capabilities and then buy the cheap and dirty stuff that they know how to handle. I'm not a down stream expert, but I would imagine going from heavy sour crude to light sweet crude is probably going to be costly, even if it's easier than going in the other direction. What I expect is more likely is that refineries won't stop buying Canadian crude and will just raise prices, instead.

[-] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

A big problem is that the Canadian dollar value is tied to oil price. But these tariffs are a different sort of oil price than the standard OPEC pricing. Usually if oil prices go down worldwide, demand for the difficult to refine Canadian oil goes down and our dollar devalues.

If price goes up, then we become more competitive and put dollar strengthens. This new situation is different because it will decrease demand and increase the domestic cost of oil, so our dollar will get weaker AND oil costs will go up in Canada. I think. It will be bad, regardless.

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The US is famously the sort of country that takes its massive in-house crude production and adds in different types of petroleum from the rest of the world to create a robust and very lucrative refining industry.

This seems like just a way to scam the american people at large by charging extra for energy. It's not the sort of measure that increases internal production either because actual crude production in the US has been in a plateau for a long time now. Not because of lack of demand. But because that's just how things are. Oil is not an infinite resource.

[-] Yllych@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago

I would be surprised if prices went down significantly, seems like the oil corps operate as an unofficial cartel. There's not much compelling them to cut prices unless there's a huge drop in demand like a second pandemic, or some kind of government intervention (lol). There's still much oil storage capacity left in Alberta.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago

I'm saying that tariffs might represent a large drop in demand from refineries, because they'll all stop buying from Canada.

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago

Isn't canadian uniquely heavy oil (good for asphalt and stuff), but not that easy exchangeable for anything else (this side of venezuela as well, i believe, whom they swapped)

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago

It’s the art of the deal baby, Trump makes extreme and outrageous demands and he meets halfway. It really does work

[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago

It's a very effective strategy when your targets are traditional lapdogs of the empire, who don't have the will nor the ability to truly oppose you besides pretending to be independent and not for sale, despite having sold out ages ago.

[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago

Western politicians aren't for sale in the same way that your living room furniture isn't.

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago

Critical support for comrade Trump in undermining the American Empire.

[-] someone@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago

Hey Alberta, thanks for all your help on the softwood lumber issue that's made life hell for a lot of Maritimers. We'll be sure to help you out on this just as much.

[-] rando895@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 days ago

I bet we'll have a bunch of folks move back home

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago

Lmao, I wonder if it's even worth pumping put of the ground then. Game over for the CAD

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago

Really going to collapse the whole ass economy? I'm honestly not confident Trump is going to hold on to power if prices for everything keep going up. 3 meals away from a revolution, something like that.

[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago

I gotta think that capital is going to intervene to stop this. It's just too obviously disruptive to profit making.

[-] Des@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

yeah but the ten guys that everything is consolidated under will have plenty of lead time to protect their assets and prepare to buy up the smoldering ruins for cheap

i'm actually starting to believe a collapse is being engineered on purpose because all this artificial "growth" and market inflation isn't actually making real wealth

so pull the plug, do a post-Soviet doctrine. if shit gets too real who cares they can just leave

i don't think they've thought much beyond this stage and think civil disruption can be easily dealt with.

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[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago

I'm so glad I got an ebike before Biden's tariffs on batteries and Trump's tariffs on Chinese goods in general come into effect. Like with COVID's supply shock there's no telling what will be impacted by 1/5th of the crude oil supply being interrupted. Everything is downrange of fuel prices and there will be the compounded shock of the other inputs being restricted as well.

[-] Des@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago

i never did even after we discussed it. too many other things i've been grabbing up before these hit. mostly PC stuff, and my budget is limited

oh well here we go i guess going to be a wild ride

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

Turns our walking everywhere for my entire 40 years is gonna pay off in a big way lol

[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago

The mad lad is actually gonna do it, isn’t he?

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What's the current state of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve?

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago

Damn, all of her bootlicking and she couldn't even cut a deal? pathetic

She's really aiming for the quisling role in the annexed Canadian state(s) isn't she

[-] pinguinu@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Please tell me they're all in on it and we're supposed to believe them, please

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