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What is hexbear? (leminal.space)
submitted 2 months ago by kaprap@leminal.space to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

I saw a post that talked about racism towards people and when I talked about it the response I got was very heated and a person even called lemmy.world a community of 'hitlerites'

I have been around for a week or so and this is my first time seeing such explicit vulgar reaction towards another community, is this a one-off or should I block hexbear?

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Hexbear, lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml are the "Tankie Triad".

Hexbear is the worst most extreme of them and lemmy.ml is the least which is why they've managed to avoid getting defederated from world (either that or because they're like the third largest instance behind only .world and SJW)

Hexbear is pretty widely defederated

[-] Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A lot of .ml users and communities are there just because it was the only big instance much earlier on. I'm in no way a tankie but still use .ml a lot (a community I run is on there) because it was the first one I made and i'm too lazy to look into new instances or switch.

[-] DosDude@retrolemmy.com 1 points 2 months ago

I would block hexbear. I've done it server-wide. They are mostly very loud trolls pretending to be communists. Some could be actual communists, but I don't buy anyone actually wanting to be in such a toxic environment and believe what they claim to believe.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

They're "communist" if you believe that supporting the CCP is "communist" and that the usa is "capitalist". It's all just political tribalism to them, that's why they are also anti-Liberal and at times very anti-Democracy. The actual definitions of any of these political identities is completely lost on them, all of these words only mean west or east to them.

TLDR: they are right-wingers pretending to be left wing

[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I love this image. Something that always confused me is that they are communist, but support russia? An extremely far right government?

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Authoritarians like authoritarian regimes. They'll perform extreme mental gymnastics to reconcile their preconceived notions with reality, like the tankies that declare China to be socialist. Also, most of them see the US as the Great Satan that is responsible for any and all evil in the world. Therefore anybody who opposes the Great Satan must be good.

[-] rekabis@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

Okay, that is legit hilarious and makes so much sense in retrospect.

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

haha love that

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Why would supposed right-wingers be holding Leftist theory reading groups, hosting mutual aid comms, donating to Palestinian gofundmes, and supporting trans rights to some of the highest degrees on the fediverse? Irony? Seems like a silly hypothesis.

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago
[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago

I don't see how that discounts anything, why would right wingers create a relatively isolated community to read Marxist and Anarchist theory, protect and advocate for trans rights, and frequently pin donation threads for Palestinians? Seems like way too much effort to be ironic, and defederating from other instances would hurt their supposed goal of "trolling."

[-] Sinthesis@lemmy.today -1 points 2 months ago

hosting mutual aid comms

I've seen those posts (I have no filter).... "I need money for rent" 🦗 🦗 🦗

[-] Loce@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

I like horseshoe theory. Basically far-left and far-right come to be same extremistic pieces of shit that are more alike than not, e.g. Hitler(right) and Stalin(left).

[-] gravityowl@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hexbear, together with Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml are left wing, communist instances here on Lemmy.

A lot of (new) users of Lemmy have very strong - as in negative - feelings about them because of their ideas. Which to me makes sense because a lot of these users tend to be more centrist in their views and have never read Marxist literature before.

I will be honest with you and tell you my experience: they can be dickish and straight up trollish in their behavior, but not anymore than your average online trolls. The actual main reason people dislike them, is because they stick together and sometimes "brigade" post which nominates them and talk shit about them.

I personally was on the receiving end of their trolling when I first joined Lemmy too. But among the trolls, there were also very nice users who gave me friendly replies. And I had great conversations with them.

Eventually I even decided to open an alt account in one of those instances to learn more about their views and engage with them on their political knowledge. I really enjoy learning from them and having open conversations about politics with them. Even when sometimes I see their more extreme opinions, I still try to always be open minded at first. More often than not, I will learn that something I used to think on a subject, was the result of historical misconceptions or straight up propaganda. That is not to say that they can't be wrong of course. But it pays off to be receptive about new points of view.

There are some elements that can be considered extreme, especially to someone from the general public who has never engaged in political conversations with someone who is very much to the left. It takes a little adjustment if you want to try and engage because so much of the media and literature we consume reinforce our views on the system while they specifically try to be critical of it.

Bur FOR SURE you will never see that instance be racist or bigoted. I have lost counts how many times I've seen that in other instances, but with them, you know exactly where they stand on that. As in, they do NOT tolerate that.

Tldr: Hexbear (with Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml) are openly communist instances on Lemmy. They are very vocals because they have a large userbase. They can be trolls that stick together sometimes. If you are politically interested/involved, I instead recommend joining one of their instances to see for yourself.

Edit: you can also tell how much people here have a negative feeling about those instances by the reactions in this post. Everything remotely critical is upvoted, while anything that even hints a positive opinion of them, will be downvoted. And then more and more users will start downvoting without even reading the comments. And they will start attacking users because they disagree and feel the need to attack them because "that instance bad"...in a way not too dissimilar from the brigading I mentioned before for some of the users from those instances. Showing you a real life example of how there are extreme users in every online community

[-] Sootius@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

I think this is probably the fairest description. Hexbearians are dickish trolls sometimes. Unfortunately, because Hexbear was the biggest Lemmy instance for the longest time, a lot of communities found this initially overwhelming, plus the big jump in political perspective is too jarring and can seem nonsensical.

But I believe anyone who takes a moment to engage in good faith with the cool users, and ignore the trollish ones, will see you can have constructive, interesting and caring discussions and realise what the attraction of the community is.

[-] Blackout@fedia.io -1 points 2 months ago

Sorry this is not true. They are very aggressive and attack every viewpoint harshly when it disagrees with their very radical beliefs. The reason instances ban them is they are not here for the conversation. Nothing good comes from that community, only confrontation.

[-] gravityowl@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sorry this is not true.

It is true. That's MY experience with them

They are very aggressive and attack every viewpoint harshly

And? I do too when I'm heated about a topic. If your viewpoint is to defend fascism, why not attack it? And I'm not talking specifically about you here. But if we're debating, I expect someone to bring a good debate.

The reason instances ban them is they are not here for the conversation

Sorry this is not true.

And I already gave my explanation as to why in my original comment.

Nothing good comes from that community, only confrontation

So just like your comment? Lol jokes aside, I already addressed everything you said before. But I'm happy you were able to disagree and get it out of your system. I've noticed a lot of Lemmy users have this weird obsession with those instances, when in reality they are just instances. They have both shitty and normal users. It's always more nuanced than that.

[-] Blackout@fedia.io -1 points 2 months ago

Just cleaning up after your whitewashing. Good try though. Their community is just a bunch of trolls like you said. I'm glad the instance I use block overtly toxic ones.

[-] gravityowl@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Just cleaning up after your whitewashing

What crimes exactly has any of those communities committed? I must have missed those posts.

Also...I admitted some views can be extreme/incorrect. I never said they are the perfect instance. None is. And that's not how you use that term by the way, my friend

Their community is just a bunch of trolls like you said

That's not what I said :) you are very obviously misquoting my comments

I'm glad the instance I use block overtly toxic ones

Neat. Good for you then, that's the beauty of the fediverse

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Note: being on Lemmy for about a year, I didn't live through the early days of this place. Here's what I can recollect, as neutrally given as possible.

TL;DR The recent conflicts between two politically different groups on Lemmy have radicalized many people, and many Hexbear residents in particular. Unless you are to discuss the far-left ideas and are very radical about disadvantaged groups, you are safe to block it.

Hexbear is a far-left (as in actually communist) anti-discrimination community, initially more of a safe haven to promote equality and foster a healthy and welcoming place for leftists to come together.

With core developers of Lemmy also being far-left, Hexbear naturally fitted the landscape along with the official Lemmy.ml, heavy far-left Lemmygrad.ml and others.

As time went on, however, all sorts of left-leaning and apolitical folks, not just far-left, came to the platform, filling other instances like Lemmy.world (now the most populated of them all), sh.itjust.works and many others.

As a result, Lemmy has two groups of people with radically different political views: one is a group of more or less organized far-left, and the other is everyone else, most commonly liberals. This distinction has caused a lot of conflicts and heated discussions based on political adherence.

Most notable case is latest US elections. The far left side generally called not to vote Democrat as Biden has failed to deliver on many of his promises and empowered Israel to commit war crimes in Palestine, while the liberal audience called to vote Democrat to not let Republicans take the lead, which may arguably lead to an even worse outcome than unaccountable Dems can make.

This divide has raised a lot of mutual hostility, brigading, and uncivil behavior, which has radicalized many on both sides of the conflict, the consequences of which you have got to experience.

What to do with that is up to you to decide. Hexbear is very politically uniform and very political overall, so if you're not here to discuss communism, you won't lose much and will gain additional peace of mind.

[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Also Hexbear and Lemmygrad were populated by r/chapotraphouse and r/GenZedong users respectively when those subreddits got banned, which happened before the main Reddit exodus that populated instances like .world

[-] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

This is by far the best and most informative answer. The only thing it's missing as another couple commenters pointed out is hexbear is all about their oversized memes and emojis, making anytime you happen upon one of their posts extremely conspicuous (even if politics aren't being discussed).

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

ITT: everyone says they're bad without giving any examples, telling you what to think instead of letting you form your own conclusions.

[-] kaprap@leminal.space 0 points 2 months ago

They're decent people as long as you don't argue politics with them... I think

[-] kipo@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

Sometimes I like hexbear, agree with them and laugh with them, and sometimes their insular attitude makes me cringe. I am very critical of the democratic establishment in the US but hexbear’s “blueMAGA” talk is really offputting to me and sounds like the incel / redpill speak from parts of reddit and other online communities.

[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Given the liberal meltdown post election and inability to self reflect about the landslide loss, blue MAGA is entirely fitting.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

MAGA is a movement that glorifies a Hitler like figure who has promised to put tens of millions of honest workers in concentration camps because somehow immigrants are the cause of all their woes. These folks were both willing to deny any loss for any reason and willing to kill their neighbors in a civil war to "take their county back" if they lose.

"bluemaga" are people what mad that America's Hitler won?

[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Blue MAGA is the cult like belief that the democrats can do nothing wrong and any criticism of them is a vote for trump. It’s idiotic, just like their red MAGA counterparts. They’re willing to accept a genocide so long as their team wins.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Blue maga is a stupid stupid term by stupid stupid people

[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You’re just mad because it’s about you. What’s stupid is thinking voting blue no matter who being a winning strategy. That worked out for ya didn’t it. Lost the presidency, the senate, the house, numerous state governments and local elections. Great job liberals! You’d rather lose to fascists than embrace leftist positions.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Like 99.9999% of liberals I'm not actually in charge of the Democratic party or their broader strategy. Come election season I can choose

A) To vote against republicans in the general election B) To vote for more liberal parties in primaries

That is basically it. The effects of electing Republicans is often substantial risk to our nation and to myself personally so I cannot afford to score political points by voting third party nor is there good reason to believe this would be effective. The historical fact for 40 years has been that winners on the left side of the aisle had to appear attractive to moderates and liberals which limited how far left it was useful to get. Not to mention most far left positions are bad for the rich and corporations at least in the short run which leads to money drying up and the moderates who get said funding and more support from fellow moderates winning.

Basically folks like you are threatening other folks with losing if they don't execute a losing strategy. This is why it didn't happen because you weren't actually offering a path towards victory. Maybe after Trump completely ass fucks our country and probably impoverishes it for a generation we will actually have more will for real change but I wouldn't have chosen to sacrifice my family to achieve it.

[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

My family has already been sacrificed and impoverished by numerous liberal and conservative governments. I’m not voting for democrats ever again. To hell with this country, let it burn and suffer as greatly as my family has. Chefs kiss when AI takes over the liberal elites jobs and suddenly their learn to code condescension comes back to fucking bite them, it will be well deserved.

All strategies by our imperialist capitalist governments are losing strategies and biden/Harris was not the less bad choice. They are equally bad for different reasons and only liberals can’t seem to get that through their propagandized minds.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

My family has been impoverished since basically fucking forever and I thus have little space for performative shit by shit stains who would kick us while we are down to make what they misperceive as a point

[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago

thus have little space for performative shit by shit stains who would kick us while we are down

Ah yes, liberals. Painting rainbows in the road while not protecting queer rights, flying BLM flags while electing a cop.

Why are the worst takes always from world users???? This fucking close to blocking the whole damn instance.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Voting third party while the choice is between normal if shitty and a literal fascist dictator who wants to put millions of people in concentration camps knowing that a lot of people may literally die if we lose at this juncture is performative shittiness.

[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Both are fascist, dingbat. ~60k murdered under biden in Gaza and millions more in his failed covid policy. But yeah, sure, “lesser evil” whatever the fuck you tell yourself to sleep at night while the democrats completely fail us.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Millions were not killed by Bidens covid policy nor was he in any fashion fascist outside of your fantasies

[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, let’s rewrite history, liberal.

Shit libs having the worst takes, name a more iconic duo.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Please explain how Biden's policies killed millions

[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

His covid policy was essentially “let it rip” and he cut covid benefit programs which forced people to work when sick or immune compromised.

Our leaders could of put an effort into systemic solutions for covid - funding schools to replace their HVAC systems for example - and they should of pushed masking more with legitimate N95s instead of the baggy surgicals or worse the cloth masks, and not mandated vaccines. The vaccines did not work at stopping the spread, and the idea that they lessened severity is theoretical (omicron came out around the same time as the vaccines and was not as deadly or serious as delta which killed otherwise healthy young people by the thousands). By forcing people to vaccinate or lose their jobs, people just wholesale discounted the entire pandemic rather than take other meaningful precautions. And keeping kids out of school was a mistake.

And he still owes me $600 that fucking racist Zionist bastard.

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