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It ain't my job to pay your employees salaries
Maybe it's your job to avoid patronizing places that don't pay their employees enough though?
No, it's not, however as a near-minimum wage worker myself, it is also not my job to cover a massive corporation's lack of proper budgeting...
If you keep patronizing such businesses, why would they ever do that? They know they don't have to in order to get your money. And it is the same with your own near-minimum wage job. You are working against your own best interests. Nothing will change while people are willing to give their money to companies that don't pay their workers a fair wage.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against tipping if the person did a good job, but a company trying to guilt trip me into giving them a mandatory tip? Nah, that's bullshit, it's essentially "Oh, we can't pay our employees enough, would you mind helping 🥺". Outta here with that.
Right,so don't use those businesses. You give them no reason to do anything differently.
All you are doing is helping to maintain the status quo.
I think it is the case of "you think in the right direction, but you don't do it all the way, so now I'm gonna attack you over this until you stop doing anything".
Not paying tips is a good start.
I absolutely will pick the no-tips place given a choice, but I take issue with that wording. Basically every business pays as little as possible, by design.
"As little as possible" and "not enough" are two different things.
I suppose, but it's really hard to separate. You have to pick a cutoff, which in the face of a world full of intangible wealth and costs is hard, and then if you come out with a number that's too high you basically have nowhere you can shop.
There's select industries that are super shitty, and I avoid those, but paying minimum wage for unskilled labour is a normal industry. (And, ironically, a lot of the fair-ethical-organic type businesses are super shitty themselves, because everyone wants to get paid extra and some will do horrible things to make that happen)
You're saying this like it's necessary to eat in restaurants with waiters. It isn't. It's a luxury.
Wait, where are you? I thought I recognised you from .ca, but it sounds like you might be thinking of the US system where they can pay nothing except tips. In my province you earn at least minimum wage as a waiter, and tips.
If I were to just straight up refuse to eat from restaurants under any circumstance, I'd be heavily incurring those intangible costs I mentioned, because it's an expected social thing. That being said, I might consider it if I was in the US, but I'm not.
Also, tips have expanded well beyond servers, but that's kind of beside the point.
Well you thought wrong. I was born and raised in the U.S. and lived there until about two weeks ago when we fled.
And in my 47 years in America, I was never in a situation where I couldn't say, "no thanks" if someone invited me to a restaurant. And who invites you to restaurants and makes you pay?
Like, most people. Unless they offer, it's not culturally expected to be a gift. "No, I won't discuss this over coffee"/"no, we can't have the meeting at a restaurant" would go over like a wet fart, and explaining that it's because of minimum wage workers wouldn't make it much better. (FWIW I'm also poor enough that's a pretty big expense, but middle and upper class people hate being reminded people like me exist)
Congratulations on getting out. Best of luck wherever you are now.
How about, "let's eat at this restaurant instead, they treat their workers better?"
Is that really so hard?
I have no special knowledge of the working conditions of local restaurants.
Have you tried talking to people who work there?
And why would they tell me, a relative stranger who, while actually local, seems kinda like a dirty city liberal? Or worse, they know who I am and that I'm weird.
What I hear around the community lumps staff in with employers, and I haven't heard people badmouthing their own employers much at all. I do avoid the antivax cafe.
Look, you seem to be making a ton of assumptions about what my local environment is like, how much time I have, how good my Lemming social skills are, and how much importance I would place on this one particular aspect of our society, versus all the others I could be thinking about. I appreciate the concern for service workers, but being hounded about this feels more like you're arguing for it's own sake.
The only thing I'm assuming is that you feel like you can't talk to people who wait tables about their working conditions because "you seem kinda like a dirty city liberal," which means you are forced to go to restaurants that treat their employees unfairly and also pay them out of your own pocket.
And I am only assuming those things because they are literally things you have said.
Yes, that is a (very incomplete) summery of my own statements.
Those are the ones which are relevant to what I am talking about. If you feel I didn't bring up something relevant, feel free.
But as far as I can tell, it would not be difficult for you to ask a waiter, "do you have to make up your pay in tips because you get less than minimum wage?" You just are assuming they won't say to you because of how you look for some reason.
Well, the answer to that question would just be no. Like I said, it's the law, and things can be sketchy here but not like that.
Well now you're just lying.
Again, I'm not in America, and that's not even what I meant. There is no exception to minimum wage for tipped workers here.
Well I admit I missed you aren't in America. But this whole thing has literally been about minimum wage waiters having to make up their pay with tips in the U.S., so...
Ah. Okay.
If you go back a bit, I did try to point out it's different here when I figured out that's what you meant.
It doesn't have to be like this, America. Not only is tipping not expected in Australia, but when the "Choose tip" screen comes up on US made software, all the servers I've ever had skip straight through it and choose zero.
Servers deserve to be paid fairly.
I know tipping culture is extreme, but I've never seen 100%. I don't think this is real.
I can't find the original image, it's just been reshared dozens of times on Xitter, Threads, Facebook and Reddit, but nobody is adding context or naming and shaming.
So yeah, probably just ragebait.
Would you like a legit source? I found it in 10 seconds of googling, btw.
I reverse image searched on mobile to try find the origin / source of this specific image to see if it was legit.
I wasn't excluding the possibility of some company in the world prompting for a 100% tip, hence why I didn't spend 10 seconds googling for it.
30% is "soso" but a 100% is only "Thank You"? In this case the 100% should be "Walk over to the other side of the register so the boss can blow You".
If you can't afford living wages for your staff so they're not dependant on tips, your store shouldn't be open.
Everyone working a job should be making a living wage. "Oh, but then the price of my McDonald's cheeseburger will skyrocket!!" Fucking good. If it's not economical to produce a product without abusing people, that product shouldn't exist. Period. I will die on this hill.
"Oh, but then the price of my McDonald's cheeseburger will skyrocket!!" Fucking good
I don't know why people keep repeating this propaganda. Plenty of countries pay actual wages to their employees, don't have tipping, and the prices are still fucking cheaper than America.
This would get an immediate Custom -> 0% from me the moment I see it.
Fucking "soso" for a 20% tip the hell
If this is in a restaurant after I've eaten, it would get 0% and I'd never go there again.
If this is presented to me somewhere you pay before consuming your food/purchase, I'm leaving without paying.
soso is the same sound as a word that means breasts in my mother tongue.
Could be worth it under the best of circumstances.
"How much will you tip?
"TITS!"
Beats just the tip.
So hard to get a thank you. Manners these days...
If any place said a 30% tip is so so, I'm not tipping.
If I saw this I would give them exactly what I think they're worth. $0.01 and a bad online review.
this post was submitted on 31 Jan 2025
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