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Trump preps order to dismantle Education Dept as DOGE probes data. Closing the agency would require congressional approval, so the new administration hopes to diminish it in the meantime. (archive.ph)
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[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 1 year ago

If the states (as in US states, not overall US state.... goddamnit) are unwilling to stop the gooner squads (apparently a bunch of Fuentes style incels and Elon) with no legitimacy from physically entering locations... then it seems like that whole "doesn't have authority to do X" thing was theoretical. Or theatrical.

If Trump via proxy is allowed to do it (meaning no one stops him. And they clearly aren't because they haven't) it just means "that's the way it is now."

Why do people think that Trump gives a shit if the courts say anything? If he cared about any of that

  1. Elon would be in prison. Or at the very lib-ass least far from any power. Not elected and not even appointed.

  2. Trump would sign an EO, and then as soon as any opposition happened he'd pause and wait until courts decided. No he's just doing it and he knows they'll side with him... but it doesn't matter anyway because if he gets months or years to gut departments, that's just GG.

Basically everything being destroyed is stuff created many years ago. The US doesn't create departments capable of any good anymore and hasn't since, fuck... the 1930s? I guess the EPA is decent (Nixon, btw. Also Trump wants them gone too).

They aren't going to recreate these departments and agencies in 4 years. They (democrats) aren't even trying literally at all to stop the destruction now. Why the fuck would they do a positive action like refounding the DoEd? Nah, this shit is gone and people aren't gonna do anything because it all feels innocuous or distant enough.

The only reason some funding EO stuff got reversed was because, among many other things, libraries and shit (my local one did this) were sending mass emails saying "Hey, we gotta shut down because Trump is a dumbass." Basically.

As long as the truth is obfuscated enough, like direct checks to YOU aren't harmed, no one ever cares.

Imagine being Xi right now though. Holy shit. Definition of "Do nothing. Win." He's probably laughing his ass off like "No, no, no... tell me that again. He's abolishing their what now?"

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

that's just GG.

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[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

"Good game"

Often used to mean "it's over" "we're fucked" "RIP" (rest in peace)

(The "you"s and "people" used in my original comment are not directed at anyone on this site. If that wasn't clear. Just a generalized yelling at clouds)

[-] NewOldGuard@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

GG being gamer parlance for good game, they’re saying it’ll be game over for those departments regardless of if the courts intervene since the damage will be done while the institutions are churning and litigating.

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

But the DEMS are doing something

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

"Time to fund raise"

Also, I think. I THINK the DoEd is far more important to regular Americans (and easily observable as fucking insane to target) than USAID.

Free tip there for the DNC.

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

Such congressional action is unlikely, people in both parties say. Legislation would require a supermajority of 60 votes in the Senate, meaning at least seven Democrats would need to support the plan, which observers say is inconceivable.

Watch'm. They'll find a way.

[-] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

seven Democrats would need to support the plan, which observers say is inconceivable

clueless

[-] HelluvaBottomCarter@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

We're all about to learn the name of the new Manchin and Kristen Stewart or whatever her name is.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

My hunch is that the Education Department will continue to exist but be hobbled by a cut of a horrible amount - say 25%. The dems say have created a "compromise" with Elon/Trump. They'll try to spin this awfulness as some kind of "win for education".

[-] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

They can just end the filibuster and pass it in the Senate with a simple majority.

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Yeah honestly I’m sick of journalists even mentioning the 60 votes thing as if it’s real. It’s journalistic malpractice. If you need 60 votes to do it one way but only 51 to do it another way you only need 51 votes to do the thing.

Reporting that way was cover when the democrats were in charge and it’s cope now.

[-] RION@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

That's literally called the nuclear option, though. It's only been used twice for carve outs on nominations, and using it again to allow for the shutdown of a federal department is about as serious of an escalation as you can get without tossing the filibuster entirely.

The only way I see it getting used is if the party in power is sure they can remain in power forever

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Dems treat it as the “Nuclear Option” but that’s nonsense. It’s a painted line on the floor that can be ignored at any point and should’ve wiped up decades ago.

[-] RION@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

It's not just the Dems. If the GOP didn't care then why wasn't it done during either of the republican trifectas in the last 20 years, or right as the current one started?

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Elected officials until the Tea Party started winning elections were all cut from the same norms worshipping cloth.

This new Congress is filled with ghouls that don't about silly procedural nonsense.

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

degrade it badly enough and they'll all agree it's worthless and should be scrapped

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Normies will see it as useless while conveniently ignoring the fact that it has no funds, etc

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

“Erase student loans!” Monkey’s paw curls

[-] Torenico@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

sit-back-and-enjoy

[-] dRLY@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

It is almost like the whole point of "No Child Left Behind" was to make sure this would happen. Intentionally defund schools and make them just "pass" kids no matter what in order to hit numbers for any money. Then point to how fucking awful the rates of literacy and other skills are. Though funding was already pretty bad and got worse throughout the 90's and early 00's before NCLB was made policy.

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