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submitted 3 months ago by doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Not because DDG got better, but just because google got worse.

google is still better for site-specific searches, and google scholar still has minimal AI slop

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[-] FRYD@sh.itjust.works 38 points 3 months ago

I’ve been using DDG exclusively for something like 8 years. It works great for regular text search and I use bing for image searches. I really don’t understand the reluctance of people to switch to it. To me, Google has been borderline unusable garbage for a long time.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

Cherry on the shit sundae was a couple months ago when Google started to require JavaScript be enabled for search.

[-] yo_scottie_oh@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Okay, so this wasn't just me! I installed NoScript for Chrome on my work laptop as a stop gap for no more ublock origin and thought something was fishy w/ Google's search page.

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[-] JackLSauce@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

"just as good"? No, I feel it is (and has been for years) vastly superior but I mostly use it to find documentation or Stack Overflow answers so consistent UI and concise summaries are high priority to me. Take that as you will

I don't think anybody can dethrone Google Maps yet but that's another story

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[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

My thought always was that DDG was good to set as my default, and if I'm not happy with the results then it's not a big deal to use Google once in awhile.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

...........Oh, sorry.

Hell no. If anything, it's gotten worse.

In their defense, however, it's probably largely not their fault. In my admittedly one-person-sample-size experience, 90% of the searchable Web is either Reddit threads or articles, and with Reddit going officially with Google (meaning DDG doesn't catch as many Reddit threads as they used to), that leaves most of the searchable Web being articles. Because SEO has to ruin everything.

So, it's not really that DDG is shitty (mostly), but that all searches are shitty. Though, with the whole Google-and-Reddit thing, I find Google's results are noticeably less shitty (though still shitty).

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[-] Sickduck@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 months ago

DDG does the job. Hopefully, I won't have to switch engines soon.

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 months ago

Duckduckgo mostly uses Bing for its search results. It also uses yahoo, yandex, and it's own crawler, but for the most part you're getting Bing.

So what you really want to know is if Bing is just as good as Google. If you think it is, you should definitely use ddg because they're the least intrusive.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 6 points 3 months ago

It's much better than Bing.

[-] match@pawb.social 14 points 3 months ago

i switched from DDG to ecosia because of Lemmy and i gotta say it's even better

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[-] nullPointer@programming.dev 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

isn't it just a bing wrapper?

[-] klangcola@reddthat.com 14 points 3 months ago

No and kinda yes. Duckduckgo has its own webcrawler, but also adds in results from other sources including Bing, Yahoo and others.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Last time I checked, it matched Bing results exactly.

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[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

DuckDuckGo AKA Bing is complete dog doo. When you are looking for news it only tries to shove in the Microsoft MSN news page. The algorithm manipulation in favor of Western MSM bias is even heavier than Google. When you search certain terms it refuses to show articles containing those exact terms.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 months ago

Yeah saying "DDG is as good as Google" means saying that DDG is worthless garbage lol

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[-] variouslegumes@reddthat.com 11 points 3 months ago

I just realized the other day that I haven't typed !g in months.

[-] techpir8@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 months ago

Don't you mean DuckDuckBing ?

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[-] dojan@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Google is mostly adverts. Wouldn’t take much to be better than that.

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[-] ByGourou@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

I really tried, I set duckduckgo as the default for my second browser (I use it a lot) to slowly get used to it, but every time results are so bad I get mad and switch to Google especially for images

[-] modifier@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

It’s just as good as 2008 google, which is all I want.

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

So far its still less bloated

[-] slomosapien@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

100%. I have not used google in about roughly 15 years. DDG has been my daily driver since 2010

[-] lucg@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Eyeing the replies, does not one other person here get results constantly flooded with content farms? They've gotten significantly worse

But then, I don't use Google so maybe this is still better than Google Search?

It started maybe three years ago, around the same time as LLMs became usable for this, but I'm pretty sure >50% are human-written still. Probably the LLM generates the structure (saves any time they'd have to spend coming up with plausible-sounding texts) and someone from a low-income country is contracted to make it look more legit

Of course, queries for topics that have a Wikipedia page get Wikipedia first, recipes get tons of big-name recipe sites, products get stores. But when there's no obvious market around a topic, 3~4 out of 5 results are content farms pretending to have useful information to show unwary visitors ads

(As an alternative, I still have to try Kagi properly. It seemed on par with DDG when I did a few searches last year, but then their payment processor refused me trying to load my account, support was unhelpful, and I've gotten sidetracked since)

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[-] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

I do not think so in my experience. I'm a software developer and a lot of my job is searching solutions to problems. Every year or two I'll try DDG because I love the concept but it never works as well for me. Putting the same search query into Google yeilds actual results for me more often than DDG does.

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[-] shaggyb@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I can turn off the horseshit firehose that we call AI, making it far better than google

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[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

No. DDG still puts less priority in small blogs over Reddit posts. All bigger search engines put way too much stock & rank in corpo social media.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Good enough for me, although there are times I need to use google.

[-] jeanofthedead@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

Naw. I use Kagi (paid) now, and get much better search results.

[-] Squizzy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

DDG sold out, very focused "bubble" results that they initally railed against.

[-] ScoreDivision@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago

As a general purpose search engine yeah it's just as good. Google has some nice extra features which aren't too important (for example if you search UFC it shows full fight card info and results on the search page).

Where it falls behind is for more "power user " type work. I only use Google at work as it makes finding very specific results with keywords and date ranges on certain sites etc much easier.

Nowadays I use Qwant though to boycott us. It's much slower but still does the job for day to day use.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

I find it's actually better at this point because it just gives results without AI summaries and ads, also I find it's just straight up better at actually finding what you're looking for

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[-] azalty@jlai.lu 4 points 3 months ago

Compared to a few years ago, it’s better. Some websites still aren’t indexed, and even by entering their name exactly, they don’t show. Google doesn’t have this problem.

Brave search is also pretty good

[-] sanderium@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago

I use Startpage and it feels like I always get the results I want even when I don't use perfect prompts. Just recently I got a three month free trial for Kagi and the results were better than google in my opinion, or at least less cluttered with "possibly related things" that are just ads in the end.

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