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[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 90 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Debating what intelligence is, is such a circle-jerk.

The term is so broad, that it encompasses aspects like motivation, memory retention capacity, memory recall rates, differentiates between verbal, spacial and emotional intelligence, and occasionally veers into scientific racism.

It's a fucking shit show. The comment sections of posts about intelligence are generally toxic because people end up talking past each other.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

If debating intelligence is waste of time, imagine what a "shit show" trying to measure it must be. This is the central point: measuring intelligence is just as foolish as measuring beauty or charm.

The problem is that this isn't just a debate on the internet. Your IQ score can still literally be the difference between life and death in the US legal system. So it's pretty important to let people know it's pseudoscience from eugenicists that, by the way, doesn't work!

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 16 points 1 day ago

IQ tests are interesting, because they're mainly a test of pattern recognition.

However, knowing how the patterns are formed, can easily net you +10 points on an IQ test.

It's a shit way to determine "intelligence".

Some people might score highly, but are socially inept and unmotivated, meaning they have a lot of raw power, without having the mental capability to channel it productively, which is pretty fucking stupid.

Then you get people like Musk and Trump, who are both highly motivated people, despite being dumb as rocks. Yet, our geniuses can't figure out how to mitigate their stupidity.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 22 hours ago

well no, modern intelligence tests specifically test different things, for example the one i took had a section about working memory where i had to recite numbers in various ways.

which was useful because it turns out my working memory is absolute dogshit

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 5 points 21 hours ago

Mensa has long been the benchmark for high IQ societies.

Go take their sample IQ test. It is only pattern recognition.

Unfortunately this is the norm.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Mensa has long been the benchmark for high IQ societies.

Mensa is a social club with an admittance test, which they're free to organize however they want. It holds no weight in the field of psychology

[-] Sigtro@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

Mensa is a private society where you pay for membership and take a test which cherry picks from actual standardized intelligence tests and are openly available so you can practice them. Proper ones used in neuropsychology measure more than just pattern recognition. I don't know why Mensa has gotten such a prominent place, but it shouldn't be regarded as the benchmark for anything.

[-] SandmanXC@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

Paying for a "you're smart" placque is definitely a benchmark for stupidity.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 21 hours ago

i literally did the test with a registered psychologist, not sure what more you want?

it very much seems like you just want to hate intelligence tests and reality being different makes you frustrated

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 21 hours ago

There are different types of intelligence tests, sure. What I was talking about was IQ tests.

But yes, I do hate intelligence tests, they have a long history of reinforcing systemic racism.

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

"Occasionally" seems rather generous

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, there are a lot of low IQ dickhead out there, must be genetic or something.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 2 points 20 hours ago

I got a clinical assesment and it took 12 hours spread over 12 weeks. Indeed contained verbal and visual memory tests, verbal and visual ability to fantasize, pattern recognition, logic, social ability, etc

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