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[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I think Sean’s video on the Bell Curve is the best way IQ has ever been interrogated and explored on the internet.

The purpose of IQ is to measure some sort of “g factor” which is a model of “general intelligence.” This was based on the idea that people who tend to do good at some kinds of tests tend to also be good at other kinds of tests.

The IQ test is “reliable” - ie its consistent and you’ll usually get the same results +/- an acceptable amount every time. However, there are lots of concerns about its “validity” - whether it measures what it purports to measure - ie, the “g factor.”

Of note is the “Flynn effect” - that performance on the test in the general population has been improving over time, so the test has to be renormalized. (IQ is a “normalized” test - so about 68% of the population needs to be within 1 standard deviation of the mean. I think standard deviation is about 15 - so 68% of people are going to score between 85 and 115.)

The question then would be - are people getting “smarter” or is it just that people are more adapted to taking tests on pattern recognition and mathematics/logical thinking? How would that measure the intelligence of a tribal person who has not seen abstracted geometrical shapes?

You can bring in alternative models of intelligence - like Gardner’s multiple intelligence - but then that doesn’t really have much of the psychometrics behind it.

(In general, I think a huge issue in psych research is a lack of critically examining the validity of psychometric instruments. It seems we often stop at being reliable.)

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 8 points 9 hours ago
[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 18 points 13 hours ago

Intelligence is what my sorcery damage scales with

[-] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 hours ago

Isn't that charisma-based?

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 4 points 11 hours ago

I'm going by Dark Souls system

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I like that to use every spell, you need intelligence and faith; so you just become a walking oxymoron.

[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 1 points 56 minutes ago

I don't know Dark Souls, but presumably whatever it is you're having faith in, in-game, is provably real. Then, if the object of faith is also demonstrably faithful (which, by the repeatable application of spells, sounds likely), int ought to aid faith.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 37 minutes ago

That isn't always the case, and is one of the driving themes of Miyazaki's games: unreliable narration and corrupted ideals. So, like yes; the "gods" are real but their power or God status isn't always what it appears to be. In some cases, the power people sought through their faith, brought them to total ruin when it wasn't all glitz and glamour as they were told. Like people who tried to become dragons but ended up as weird mutant half dragon things. Or Rosaria's Fingers that eventually turn into giant maggot things. Faith is very often rewarded with body horror in Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Elden Ring and even Sekiro.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

I mean, if the stats were actually taken at face value, strength would increase the maximum equipment load instead of endurance

[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 1 points 55 minutes ago

Maybe it just means your bones take more force before they snap.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I think Equip Load would have to be some kind of equation based on both. Strength allows you to lift an object. Endurance allows you to carry that object great distances before getting tired.

But str should affect your ability to hurt things with a punch even if you don't put a strip of leather over your knuckles (100% unarmed combat does basically nothing and isn't increased by STR; if you wanna punch things, you need at least a cestus).

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago

I'm just going to point out the irony of using this meme format to make that point.

[-] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 15 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

The meme is about the journey to acquire wisdom, not intelligence. It fits IMO, despite representing the lack of wisdom as low intelligence.

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 5 points 16 hours ago

So the y axis (IQ Score) is a measurement for wisdom? OP could have easily edited it out but didn't to give it a meta layer

[-] azi@mander.xyz 3 points 16 hours ago

Not to mention the "stupid = ugly" wojacks

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

It just makes it that more delicious.

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 90 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Debating what intelligence is, is such a circle-jerk.

The term is so broad, that it encompasses aspects like motivation, memory retention capacity, memory recall rates, differentiates between verbal, spacial and emotional intelligence, and occasionally veers into scientific racism.

It's a fucking shit show. The comment sections of posts about intelligence are generally toxic because people end up talking past each other.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

If debating intelligence is waste of time, imagine what a "shit show" trying to measure it must be. This is the central point: measuring intelligence is just as foolish as measuring beauty or charm.

The problem is that this isn't just a debate on the internet. Your IQ score can still literally be the difference between life and death in the US legal system. So it's pretty important to let people know it's pseudoscience from eugenicists that, by the way, doesn't work!

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 16 points 1 day ago

IQ tests are interesting, because they're mainly a test of pattern recognition.

However, knowing how the patterns are formed, can easily net you +10 points on an IQ test.

It's a shit way to determine "intelligence".

Some people might score highly, but are socially inept and unmotivated, meaning they have a lot of raw power, without having the mental capability to channel it productively, which is pretty fucking stupid.

Then you get people like Musk and Trump, who are both highly motivated people, despite being dumb as rocks. Yet, our geniuses can't figure out how to mitigate their stupidity.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 22 hours ago

well no, modern intelligence tests specifically test different things, for example the one i took had a section about working memory where i had to recite numbers in various ways.

which was useful because it turns out my working memory is absolute dogshit

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 5 points 21 hours ago

Mensa has long been the benchmark for high IQ societies.

Go take their sample IQ test. It is only pattern recognition.

Unfortunately this is the norm.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Mensa has long been the benchmark for high IQ societies.

Mensa is a social club with an admittance test, which they're free to organize however they want. It holds no weight in the field of psychology

[-] Sigtro@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

Mensa is a private society where you pay for membership and take a test which cherry picks from actual standardized intelligence tests and are openly available so you can practice them. Proper ones used in neuropsychology measure more than just pattern recognition. I don't know why Mensa has gotten such a prominent place, but it shouldn't be regarded as the benchmark for anything.

[-] SandmanXC@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

Paying for a "you're smart" placque is definitely a benchmark for stupidity.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 21 hours ago

i literally did the test with a registered psychologist, not sure what more you want?

it very much seems like you just want to hate intelligence tests and reality being different makes you frustrated

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[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

"Occasionally" seems rather generous

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[-] iii@mander.xyz 2 points 20 hours ago

I got a clinical assesment and it took 12 hours spread over 12 weeks. Indeed contained verbal and visual memory tests, verbal and visual ability to fantasize, pattern recognition, logic, social ability, etc

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 1 day ago

People who boast about their IQ are losers ~Stephen Hawking

[-] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 8 points 20 hours ago

Of course Thickie Hawking would say that ~Albert Einstein

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 16 hours ago
[-] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 hours ago

Dear reader, it was Steven Hawking who really said that, not Albert Einstein.

[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 1 points 54 minutes ago

Thank you for clarifying.

[-] NahMarcas@lemmy.ml 4 points 20 hours ago

How it called this meme format? I want see more of this examples

[-] Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago

Intelligence is the Intel core i3 4th gen

[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 day ago

The purpose of a test is what it tests.

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