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[-] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago

Hasta la vista, brother. IRL you were kinda a dick but you were the catalyst to bring down gawker and childhood me loved your characters so you get a pass.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 37 points 5 days ago

Nah, fuck that, ”bringing down Gawker” just empowered Peter Thiel.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If they had simply obeyed the court order to take down the non-consensual sex tape they would still exist

If they hadn't made an enemy of Thiel by outing his sexuality against his consent they would still exist

Say what you will about how bad a guy Hogan and Thiel are/were and say what you will about how positive Gawker was about counter-narrative against chud culture. But they were very stupid and the only one to blame is them.

[-] frogbellyratbone_@hexbear.net 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If they had simply obeyed the court order to take down the non-consensual sex tape they would still exist

Gawker appealed the take down order and won.

If they hadn't made an enemy of Thiel by outing his sexuality against his consent they would still exist

oh so we have to play nice with literal demons in order to exist?

I'm being condescending and I apologize I just really really do not like this argument you're making

even just ignoring how much of a techno-fascist Thiel is, one doesn't get to fund/support homophobic politicians/causes while being closeted. one doesn't get the safety of privacy while hurting people. sorry not sorry.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago

Gawker appealed the take down order and won.

you must know more details about it than I do, but the end of the story remains that they were forced to pay a fine that shuttered the company so it kinda sounds like you're doing a 'Hillary got more votes' here

oh so we have to play nice with literal demons in order to exist?

No, just don't be an idiot. When you attack someone expect a response.

I'm being condescending and I apologize I just really really do not like this argument you're making

pigpoop

Then don't purposefully misread it in the most uncharitable way possible

[-] frogbellyratbone_@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

so it kinda sounds like you're doing a 'Hillary got more votes' here

pigpoop

no it doesn't. you're only now saying that because you don't know the history re: Gawker's take down but decided to comment on it

No, just don't be an idiot. When you attack someone expect a response.

it's idiotic to attack billionaires... so we have to play nice with them in order to survive?

you just really argued that fucking annoying point twice? and here i thought i was being irrationally condescending.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago

I'm left with the inescapable conclusion that you're either acting in good faith and you're very fucking stupid, or you're acting in bad faith and you're very fucking dishonest.

My statement had an if-then. Your characterization of my statement erases this.

You're deliberately erasing my intent EVEN AFTER HAVING ME FUCKING REPEAT MYSELF SO AS TO CLARIFY and inserting something I didn't say completely of your own creation.

GO. FUCK. YOURSELF.

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 8 points 5 days ago

i'm cool with outing ghouls. they should've taken down the tape tho

[-] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 days ago

"Empowered" the already influental billionaire? meh.

[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 5 days ago

The lawsuit set a precedent that allowed billionaires with no direct involvement outside of a personal vendetta to act as a third party funder to destroy a media outlet

This was challenged, as the hogan lawsuit was one of several that thiel funded (discreetly, I might add)

And as a result we lost more gonzo journalism. Gawker may have sucked but they weren’t the only casualty of this. As a result media companies shifted away from “expose” journalism out of fear oligarchs would destroy them, exactly as thiel had.

It no longer matters if they come at the oligarchs directly. They just need to piss them off.

[-] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 days ago

I mean, we still have the onion, still have the daily show, still have (had) colbert, still have an innumerable amount of satire blogs and publications. I think it's a misjudgment to extrapolate what happened to gawker to the industry as a whole, they fucked up bad.

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 13 points 5 days ago

the onion. lol

the daily show. lmao

you have no fucking idea what you're talking about

[-] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago

In general I would tend to agree

[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 days ago

Those are soft, they don’t do “expose” style gonzo shit

Ken klippenstein, pro publica, bad news, hell gate, channel 5, stuff like that does still exist but for the most part they don’t have the reach or funding that sites like gawker and deadspin did. They certainly don’t have the reach and funding that sanitized libshit like Colbert does

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

channel 5

ah the sex pest

[-] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago

hmmm ok I didn't know I needed to consume 'hard' media lol although I did prefer mr. Callaghan before he was reading his corporate sponsor reel before his 'hard' hitting reports 😜

[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago

If you’re gonna discredit him for having corporate sponsors but plug the fucking daily show and Colbert, which are legacy corpo media that are undoubtedly beholden to advertisers (why else did Colbert change his persona so drastically), and the onion, which is literally owned by private equity and has had several editors leave over conflicts with leadership (see the section “staff conflicts with leadership”)

By not being private equity owned if one of his corporate sponsors asks for censorship he can at least tell them to fuck off, which Colbert cannot dream of doing. He is beholden to advertisers

But to your point he has had credible sexual assault allegations so he is maybe not the best example on the list. That LA coverage was good tho

[-] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 days ago

If you’re gonna discredit him for having corporate sponsors but plug the fucking daily show and Colbert

I did that because you put him on your list of 'hard' media so I was shining a light on your hypocrisy. About Stewart, Colbert, et al I mentioned originally, it's ok to enjoy some jokes about the current state of the world and not expect 'hard' journalism. I don't go into an episode of Drunk History and expect an expose on Stalin post war. I follow John Stewart's podcast and have found the conversations to be honest, frank and informative. I see what he has done for 9-11 survivors and veterans, even the farm he runs, and I get the sense he is a genuine guy and not a corporate stooge.

That LA coverage was good tho

His furry convention coverage was top tier.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 3 points 5 days ago
[-] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 days ago

Mostly war losers as of late, in terms of the brass. Average veteran was just a dude looking for free college imho.

[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 days ago

I don’t think Stewart is a corporate stooge but my point was I also don’t think he is going to do exposes ala getting on the front lines or digging deep to find corruption. He’s not going to connect with sources to help leak information. He’s not going to the riots to see what is actually happening.

He is “soft” in that his role is, and always has, been commentary. When your role is only commentary I expect you to comment on big issues, especially when your platform is huge.

I think to when Occupy Wall Street happened - Stewart had a GIGANTIC platform at the time. While he was somewhat supportive of the movement he was also somewhat mocking at the same time. He straddled the line. At a critical time when the movement was shaky and support from a huge media figure like him could have made a tremendous difference he chose to play it safe, likely to protect his cushy existence. Or maybe he evolved, his rhetoric in recent years has certainly been much more pro labor

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