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this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2023
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I'd never heard of this instance, but the name kind of gives away that it's no big loss.
I can tolerate communists, but lemygrad is mostly just tankies
They're not communists anymore than North Korea is a democracy...
Anyone that tries to claim the USSR or China are/were communist regimes aren't worth listening to. They're either lying or don't know what they're talking about
Or they've convinced themselves into a massive state of cognitive dissonance.
Even worse, they revere current Russia and China as if they're communist, which makes absolutely no sense.
They're communism as practiced, not as theorized. There is a bit of difference.
They're as communist as the DPRK is democratic
As I said, communism the reality vs communism the theory.
And again, they're as communist as the DPRK is democratic
Or would you seriously say that the DPRK is democracy in practice and not theory?
No? Wtf are you talking about?
Ah, so basic logic is beyond you, gotcha
It's simple: just because a place says they're communist/democratic/free/amazing doesn't make it so. I used the DPRK as a really basic and simple example, but it was too complex for you apparantly.
What, no. They follow the plans laid out by Marx. There just isn't a mechanism to go from tyranny of the proles to true communism, so the get stuck.
Either you havent read the Manifesto or you're unfamiliar with the CCP and similar.
It's funny to watch tiny brain maga types try to comprehend basic logic though I'll give you that
Why are you so toxic?
Pointing out that someone clearly doesn't know what they're talking about isn't toxic
Frankly, neither is calling out a mouth-breathing magat given that they're actively trying to ruin people's lives
Tiny brain, no logic, ... And that is not toxic? No personal insults? Is that totally normal for you, that you don't even see it as wrong?
It's not toxic to call out a self-admitted shitheel magat. You let them think they have any form of acceptable idea and they'll proceed to fuck with people's lives, simple as.
If you can't handle mild insulting, get off the Internet, people like them are far worse than my shitty little barbs
I admit its been a decade since I read the manifesto, but there isn't exactly a revised version out there. Communism is achieved by going through various stages. The second to last is tyranny of the proles, and the last is true communism. There is no mechnaism to move from tyranny of proles to true communism.
Beyond everything else, you can't achieve communism in the way Marx laid out.
Some people will take any disagreement as a personal attack.
Everyone can read the Manifesto of the Communist Party at marxists.org if they would like and see for themselves how it lays out the move toward communism.
holy fucking based. apparently you understand more of communism than the communist themselves. I bet they didn't think you actually read it. no wonder they don't have arguments anymore
So you’re saying the current state of China and Russia is “tyranny of the proles”.
Didn’t know being born as the son of a political official and basically spending your entire life in politics made you part of “the proles”.
Yes, or at least after long term corruption.
Even Mao was born to a wealthy peasant and already in politics 3/4 years after his graduation. I don’t know what was Marx’s exact definition for “proletariat”, but I personally wouldn’t include him either.
It's like efficiency of machinery and rotating equipment. It can never reach 100%, but you can try to get close to it. 100% efficiency and communism are both unattainable ideals.