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Not saying a nuclear exchange is impossible, but I have seen nuclear scientists discuss just how (relatively) little nuclear weapons going off could really fuck up the planet.
About 100 bombs the size of the one dropped on Hiroshima (relatively tiny, basically a tactical nuke today) going off in cities could potentially fuck up the climate of an area the size of a continent for several years.
If the US and Russia launched about 5% of their arsenal at each other, that’s enough to potentially end most human life on earth.
When two nuclear powers go to war, once they start launching the nukes there is no off-ramp, no real way to de-escalate.
Long way of saying I agree, the oligarchs of the US have to know what a war with China would actually bring. And like you said, better to rule in a diminished US than die the same death as the proles they hate.
Indeed, I think the real danger is that US might start a conventional war with China thinking they could win, and then when things inevitably start going south, there's a lot of potential for stupid shit to happen. RAND actually published a study on a conventional war with China, and this is the level of insanity we're dealing with https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1140.html
Jfc you weren't kidding, these people are actually detached from reality. Amerikkkans really can't comprehend the reality of war since they haven't actually experienced it as a population since the civil war. 100% the war would start with America attacking, getting a bloody nose, losing a carrier or two, and launching nukes at China.
Indeed, it's just absolutely surreal stuff.
And even the civil war was very restrained to the population compared to what USA always did to others.