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I'm not out of my mind for believing that this would have been unthinkable in the Hillary or even Biden era, right?
Like this is just blatant blood-guzzling NRA chud pandering that would be completely relegated to Clinton body count and Dark Brandon type shit.
I did not expect Kamala to run to the right of Biden. I had zero expectations and I'm still let down
I'm not surprised. Biden's the sacrificial lamb who will take the majority of the PR hit for the genocide, but people who are actually on the left have wisened up to their tricks. They'll go for votes from people who aren't educated enough to know better. And those people are right wing.
Seriously though
Fuck this shitheap
I think so too. But Biden's like ancient history now. Libs must love Kamala's gun comment and think it's a "pragmatic" move by her to appeal to republicans and republicans in swing states in particular.
funny how they hated Bernie for his gun position and frequently brought it up to smear him.
The identity politics angle must also be a part of it, I think.
Actual segregationist Joe Biden couldn't really get away with betting on this kind of rhetoric, but Kamala being both non-white and a woman gets into the gray zone where she has plausible deniability of not just directly appealing to the vivid fantasies of legal murder demographic.
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I agree. But imagine an alternate universe where Biden's VP was a white guy. After Biden dropped out even that VP could use Death Wish-style messaging and get away with it. The lib Overton window keeps on lurching more and more to the right and the libs are fine with it.
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My comment turned into total mess so I started all over again.
Unthinkable? I don't think so.
I think the main thing that's becoming obvious in the past 8 years is that the Obama years were an illusion. He was politically progressive, sure, but what he was progressive towards was an increasingly brutal fascist empire, just like every one else.
People who think the racists left the Democratic party with Reagan have been demonstrably proven wrong over, and over, and over since Clinton, they just never quite quit telling the lie.
The presumption the Democrats are even mildly less racist because of their love of meritocracy, solely when rich citizens of the US are concerned, even with all those qualifiers it's wrong. The Democrats are who they were when I was a kid here in Texoma - the people who wouldn't vote for a Republican because they're the party of the rich, the north, and cause of the Civil War (y'all should meet my papa sometime, it'd change how you see this country).
I don't really have a coherent way to distill the country as I see it compared to the constant pretense Democrats are different than the republicans in any fashion apart from the exact manner in which they're vile condescending villains, but the sooner the left stops talking about progressives like that's something anyone should be, the better. CAuse they sure as hell ain't what you think they are, I don't care if they kinda-sorta-maybe-implied they might be okay with an anti-racist policy sometime far in the future. Besides which, Liberals are conservatives now, in the literal sense. They are the reactionary party. Fascism isn't a reaction to Capital in crisis - it's a revolutionary expansionist project. What people mean by fascism when they call it reactionary is just when fascism starts killing white people. Fascism is real long, long before then.
What scares me lately is, since Biden, the Blue MAGA insurgency in the Democrats are going ham as well. I don't really think America needs a conservative party, but we're about to have two revolutionary parties, both worse than the present. Hell, maybe we already do and it's just hard to tell how much it's changed while the changes are still happening.
You're absolutely right about the illusion but IMO the Bernie era gave people including many socialists/leftists who considered him as harm reduction a complete illusion of what the underlying political climate was heading towards.
While Bernie was campaigning on very good vibes and huge crowds asking for healthcare the population was heading increasingly away from the "traditional" both parties values of decades prior.
Its obvious Trump completely destroyed traditional conservatism but for the Democrats to destroy Bernie they had no alternative but plant the seeds of Blue MAGA.
Biden only got there because he was the only alternative to defeat Bernie without the Dems jumping off a cliff politically. Then they pulled this Biden coup only because Biden was absurdly unpopular. IMO if they tried the same shit with the Bernie nomination things would have been very interesting back then.
Dems could have avoided this by just dealing with Bernie as the coward and incoherent fool he is as president, at least they would have had 8 years of probably the most popular president in history.
Instead the year is 2024 and Blue MAGA is not a parody, its the foundation of the party.
forward: This is jsut a ramble cause we seem to agree or close enough and I took the chance to vent about politics shit stressing me lol
The Bernie years, for me, were "This guy is just offering New Deal white supremacy again and they still would kill everyone before letting him win"
I don't say that to be some ultra "I'm the one true leftist" because I voted for him too, had to write him in for even the primary in 2020 cause Texas but I get having hope cause I did, too, even when it was over. I got on with Bernie people both times he ran because it was hope for something even a tiny bit better. But that's what he was. That's why a small segment of the liberal opposition could say with a straight face there were racism and sexism problems in his base. . . because there is in any base which can bring itself to support any American politician. The Warren people were right, too "He's basically the same so vote for the woman", he was, he is, they agree on almost everything except Bernie can be really excellent at appealing to people by sounding good in the way we're more likely to recognize and not think is condescending faff.
Biden is just . .. he's a stereotype, I mean all successful politicians are archetypal characters more than people, but he's every segregationist Democrat who loves 50s nostalgia I've ever met. He's a young dad in the 1970s going to a Grease party because that's how he wants to remember the 50s.
I dunno if there ever was a world where Bernie could have been FDR 2.0 - he didn't have the class connections which made FDR possible, but that's not the path our timeline took, possible or not.