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Unfortunately 1,300 still "so far". People are ready to give him another crack at it.🤮
It's actually still happening under Biden.
Got a source?
https://immigrantjustice.org/staff/blog/biden-administration-routinely-separates-immigrant-families
Other user posted this above
Shit. The ratchet system in effect in the most grim way possible.
i'm fascinated by your exchange in this thread:
it's common knowledge that biden has extended trump's draconian immigration laws; but you still needed a source for it? or was it that you didn't want to believe it? is it because you don't think biden would do something like this?
Do you have a source for that?
I generally don’t take things random strangers say on the internet at face value.
i'm trying to understand how you get your information since it's literally on the tv news channels and on the radio and online; it's even a 3 second google search way and chatgpt will give you an answer in less than a second, but you still wanted a source.
you've demonstrated a willingness to adjust your view with provided with evidence; but it's on a topic with so much evidence i genuinely curious at how it didn't reach you.
The onus lies on the claimant. It’ll be trivial to find an obscure source saying whatever.
i think i owe you an apology; i read through my comments and i got an accusatory tone from them and i think that's what turned you off from engaging. i'm sorry.
when i asked if you're not paying attention, it wasn't an indictment on you. i think that 95% of americans don't pay attention and I mentioned it because i thinking that you might be an ordinary person in this country.
the reason i pursued this digression was to understand you because i was always under the assumption that if a political talking point was parroted in network tv and all other media then it would automatically become common knowledge.
you've disabused me of that assumption and I wanted to understand more because the people who would refused to believe this border policy exists are generally the same people who refused to update their views when presented with evidence to the contrary and the interaction i commented on proves to me that you're not like that so i was hoping you could educate me.
in this case it's nbc, abc, cbs, google, bing, yahoo, reuters, new york times, the guardian, etc. not some obscure source.
Cool. Since there's so much staggering evidence of this in the mainstream news, could you link to some? This is the third time someone is asking you for evidence now and you've yet to provide any.
if that's what it takes to get you to respond and I'll oblige: this literally took me less than 5 seconds on a google search:
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/03/23/family-separation-timeline https://www.npr.org/2023/12/08/1218336878/immigration-family-separation-judge-settlement-border https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/07/immigration-family-separation/
Unless you think that the southern poverty law center; npr; and the washington post are obscure sources.
and now here's my 4th time asking how it's missed you; are you just not paying attention?
UPDATE: didn't realize it was a different person.
I don't think you read through any of those stories fully. All they're describing is how the Trump administration separated all these people and the Biden administration has been trying to reunite them through his task force. Why they haven't finally united any of the remaining 1400+ families is not in any of these sources.
What is mentioned is how the Biden administration went to provide separated families with aid but of course why would any reasonable Republican vote for that when they're already trying to rip the families apart?
If your complaint is Biden didn't clean up Trump's mess fast enough for your liking, it's not a great argument.
biden and trump aren't interested in fixing anything except for their donors and my only complaint; besides them being there; is why the poster is avoiding answering the question
biden and trump have no interest in fixing anything that doesn't make their donors or friends happy and my only complaint is why that poster is avoiding the question.
It feels like people in this country focus on labeling organizations and people as good or evil.
What we should be doing is labeling actions as evil and enforce punishments for those who do these actions; regardless of who they are affiliated with.
The fact that those children are still separated from their parents?
Last I checked, Trump isn't president anymore.
It's not a trump thing, it's an american thing.
Its a bit more nuanced than that. That's like saying "people who wear seat belts still die". Well yes, that's a fact, but intentionally or not, you're making a claim without context and painting a picture in the mind of others that doesn't reflect reality.
Source: https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2024/07/29/report-reveals-migrant-family-separations-continue-under-biden
You can find the latest Family Reunification Task Force progress reports here: https://www.dhs.gov/publication/family-reunification-task-force-progress-reports
Why are saying that as if the dems aren't in power right now?
Because:
A) You didn't read the article, and thusly come in with your usual "democrats bad" without realizing that most of the reason these people haven't been reunited is nobody knows (because there are no records or incorrect records) with whom they should be re-united
B) We have elections in this country and "dems being in power" doesn't mean that they'll stay there...because they'll leave after having lost an election.
The Dems don't have control of every branch of government, so there's nothing they can do. They're powerless. Fortunately, they're working hard to cultivate a bipartisan coalition of influential figures, such as Jeff Flake, John Negroponte, Elliot Abrams, John Bolton, and Dick Cheney. Together, we're confident that they can retake the White House and govern from the political center, rather than deviating to the extremes like during the Donald Trump and Joe Biden administrations.
By bringing neoconservative Republicans into the big Democrat tent, we can achieve a homogeneous and irrefutable understanding of how to govern. This is the only way to reunite those 1,300 children with their families. And if you suggest to the contrary, you're hurting Kamala Harris in her campaign to protect American democracy from a tyrant who might take power by cheating his way to victory.
So go out there and vote. And yell at anyone who doesn't vote or votes for the wrong candidate. Anyone who doesn't vote for Harris is responsible for those orphaned children. It's their fault. Don't forget it.
Ah yes, Republicans get into power, do all kinds of evil shit. Democrats get into power, but they're "powerless" to end it.
There have been prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay without charge or trial under 2 Democrat presidents.