I'm a dv outreach worker and I've done a lot or research. This man may be a dv abuser, he could also be an incel or similar. No decent man thinks this way and happily most men disagree.

Dv abusers are narcissists who have wildly unrealistic expectations for women, whilst simultaneously having no respect for them. No woman could possibly live up to his impossible expectations, and he kinda sees his partner as his property.

Incels are more complicated to work out. Best summary I can give is they're often riddled with self hatred and issues they fail to work on.

They are miserable and very insecure. They look to the past, where they can only imagine what that life felt like, and imagine what they would have had back then, that they don't now, and the big difference is that progress has reduced all the subjugation. So they seek subjugation of others in hopes of reclaiming their security and manhood. When they look back, they see men in control, and only men, and they feel like they got ripped off.

Funnily enough, women choosing to be alone also pisses those guys off. Basically, women having autonomy pisses them off.

Women need to stop choosing to be alone.

And start choosing to keep around women friends, and we'll-armed.

These pieces of genetic filth don't believe no is a valid answer.

That's so shitty, but I'm glad she at least knows better than to settle for some creep.

There's enough people on both sides fucking. Every side you can think of, everyone, everywhere, is fucking. World pop tracker keeps running up.

Back when I attended church, I shit you not, the preacher from the pulpit asked the congregation who was having the most kids (the sermon I think was based on kids & families). Then he said "The Mos-lems, the Mos-lems (Muslims) are having the most kids & they have large families." If I remember correctly, I think he was making the point that if Muslims have many many kids & faithful Christians have fewer, eventually, there will be more Muslims than Christians & this was a big problem; Christians need to devote themselves to having more children and "raising them right", or the Muslims will become the majority & "win", and Christianity would dwindle & die out.

And here's the thing, I guess strictly technically speaking he might not be entirely wrong, but that doesn't make it right. If you're just breeding to get butts in pews, idk, feels a little dirty to me.

My main takeaway from that sermon, which I have told multiple friends & now am telling all of you: a war fought with vaginas is a war in which everyone loses. Your opposition is dumb as fuck. You, too, are dumb as fuck. Don't go popping out babies just to pop out more babies, take it from me you're not really all that special, stop it, get some help.

How do I double upvote?

Actually, I think a lot of women like having a man in their life. I know I do. My relationship with my “man friend" is not traditional. We have separate residences. We spend a lot of time with each other: holidays, overnights, entertaining, travelling, etc. To me it’s perfect. Obviously this wouldn’t be ideal if children were part of the plan, but they are not.

However, women are NOT incubators. Women are NOT here for men to get their “rocks off”. Women are NOT men’s servants. Women fought long and hard for the right to vote! American politics has begun a campaign to strip women of the fundamental right to vote. So, yah, I’m feeling the hate too, muusemuuse...

History is like a mystery book that you've read the last chapters first and know how it's going to turn out. The colonialism done by European powers hadn't yet happened at the time of Crusades. In fact had the various warring factions in Europe hadn't found common cause, their religion and culture would've been wiped out by Muslim colonialism. Yup, the Caliphate was conquering the Christian lands in Iberia and Anatolia and colonizing them. This is what triggered the Crusades.

The Crusades were an anti-colonialism movement, and if they hadn't found something to unite over, then their cultures, languages, and religion would've been wiped out and the whole thing would've been a minor footnote in history. They had managed

In the end, the Muslim colonization of Iberia was defeated (with the Spanish and Portuguese becoming brutal colonizers afterwards) while the Byzantine Empire ultimately fell to Muslim conquest and colonization. Today, there's only a few hundred thousand Christians left in Anatolia because of assimilation and genocide. Some of that has been relatively recent... you ever hear of the Armenian genocide?

So yeah, not exactly a clear cut good guys vs. bad guys kind of thing as popular narratives suggest. The crusades were triggered by Muslim aggression into Christian lands. While that doesn't excuse the atrocities committed by the Crusaders, the Crusades also don't excuse the atrocities committed by Muslim empires either. History is complex, and reductive bias towards europe=bad or religion=bad just results in not actually learning anything from history.

Man here. I would 100% choose dying alone over manipulating some poor woman beaten down by society's misogyny and trying to subjugate and gaslight her with incel treatment. That probably sounds extreme to these freaks, but my eventual partner will be completely equal and we'll have a better relationship because of it.

Universal suffrage is not god's design

Weeeeeeeell, looks like I know who to not listen to when he comes spreading poison about a false god.

Deus Vomitus

One step further, even. Women take responsibility for their own emotions, and filling their own needs. So if they feel lonely, they create community, in friends. What I hear, when I hear "loneliness epidemic in men" is men expecting women to tend to or serve their emotions and they aren't capable of tending to their own emotions. Like a little baby, I don't know any woman who wants to be responsible for their partners emotions, AND their own. Because it's not like these men are going to be looking after the womens emotions, the same.

It's emotional immaturity. Borderline, sometimes actual emotional abuse. You are supposed to be responsible for filling your own needs, as an adult. I feel like men have just never stopped and noticed all that women do (or ended up being socialised or forced to do).

I just watched a tik tok that talked about women being called irrational for worrying if everything is together at the holidays, they do everything. Then if they're walking out the door and worrying if everyone has everything, the husband says "you worry too much, everything will be fine". Everything is fine, because she's planned and prepared for every contingency, and it's entirely overlooked, it's unseen, unacknowledged work.

And I can't help but see the link between what has been baseline accepted / perceived as what women "do" or "women's responsibilities" in relationships for men, predominantly all the house work, holiday planning, knowing stock levels and needs, kids / friends / family birthdays and needs, doctors appointments, clothing.... I can't understand how that became a basic expectation that one person in the partnership do all of that, and then, women are disengaging from relationships with men, and instead of looking at the environment they created for women, that they wanted to no longer be engaged in that, they doubled down and shouted about how it's a strangers (all women's?) job to fix their feelings, while they roll around wailing on the floor (I imagine).

Ultimately men have been conditioned to not appreciate or see what women do, and to feel like their "manliness" is tied to how much they subjugate another person. And ultimately both of those social dynamics serve capitalism and are predominantly strong in extreme evangelical religions. It makes the rich richer if men are emotionally immature and taught to oppress women. Then women provide free labour to capitalism, emotional support, children and home. If capitalism had to make space for or compensate the work women do, raising children, it would go broke, overnight. It's not that providing the next generation is a worthless task, it's that the division of wealth is being hoarded by a handful of people and they violently don't want to let go of that.

If someone gets Knickers in a knot, because they know one woman or one man who isn't like that, you missed my point and that doesn't detract from my point, I'm not saying if they all don't do this, it doesn't hold water, obviously lots are disengaging, currently. Some in a healthy way, some not. I just find all this stuff fascinating to talk about, and the fact it's hidden from you, you have to piece it together yourself. We're all being collectively manipulated, on a societal level to, essentially, funnel money to a handful of people. It blows my mind how deep it goes. This whole nuclear family, is relatively new. It's against our nature and our grain. And it's very much not working.

Men in general aren't either. It's just incels. Whenever the talk comes around to them there will always be the inevitable "but let's try to understand their motives". It is an ideology of sociopathy and they chose to to adhere to it, not because they are lonely but because they are awful persons.

They won't be alone.

They'll have other women.

Probably become even more aggressive and rapey, whilst still blaming women.