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[-] randoot@lemmy.world 253 points 1 week ago

Ha only if. Autopilot turns off right before a crash so that Tesla can claim it was off and blame it on the driver. Look it up.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 83 points 1 week ago

I didn't know this, but I'm not shocked, or even a little bit surprised.

[-] Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Mark Rober had a video on autopilot of several cars and he used his Tesla. The car turned off the autopilot when he crashed through a styrofaom wall.

[-] randoot@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

This is how they claim autopilot is safer than human drivers. In reality Tesla has one of the highest fatality rates but magically all of those happen when autopilot was "off"

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[-] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Holy shit I did indeed look it up, and it's true. Dunno if it'll hold up but it's still shady as shit

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Most states apply liability to whoever is in the driver seat anyway. If you are operating the vehicle, even if you're not controlling it at that moment, you are expected to maintain safe operation.

That's why the Uber self driving car that killed someone was considered the test driver's fault and left Uber mostly off the hook.

Not sure how it works for the robo taxis, though.

[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Yeah that's gonna be tricky with those. I live in Vegas where they're already operating. No steering wheel at all.

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[-] sexy_peach@feddit.org 122 points 1 week ago

Autopilot will turn off a few milliseconds before impact either way

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 79 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Unironically this is a perfect example of why AI is being used to choose targets to murder in the Palestinian Genocide or in cases like DOGE attacking the functioning of the U.S. government, also US healthcare company claims of denial or collusion of landlord software to raise rent.

The economic function of AI is to abdicate responsibility for your actions so you can make a bit more money while hurting people, and until the public becomes crystal clear on that we are under a wild amount of danger.

Just substitute in for Elon the vague idea of a company that will become a legal and ethical escape goat for brutal choices by individual humans.

[-] SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de 28 points 1 week ago

Which is why we need laws about human responsibility for decisions made by AI (or software in general).

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[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago
[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

Lol well, Escape Goat 1 & 2 were just too damn good at being tough as nails indie platformers and now the word is hopelessly Escape Goat not Scapegoat in my head I am afraid.

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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

At best Tesla pays a fine, not Elon.

[-] koper@feddit.nl 22 points 1 week ago

Don't worry, DOGE will just fire the investigators before that happens.

[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Tldr: Take the train and be safe.

Rant: In the EU, you are 35x more likely to die from a car crash, compared to a train crash. The union has created the so-called Vision Zero program, which is designed to reach zero driving deaths by some arbitrarily chosen date in the future. And of course it talks about autonomously driving cars. You know, crazy idea, but what if instead of we bet it all on some hypothetical magic Jesus technology that may or may not exist by the arbitrarily chosen date and instead focus on the real world solution that we already have? But well, the car industry investors would make less money, so I can answer that myself. :(

Edit: Also, Musk is a Nazi cunt who should die of cancer.

[-] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago

Speaking as a German: There are fewer train-related deaths because the trains don’t drive.

[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Well, we can thank Mr. Schröder for that. "Der Genosse der Bosse"

[-] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I think musk cunt should die of starvation.

[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Have you seen his human-growth-hormone belly? It would take years, man.

[-] ArtemisimetrA@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

We have Vision Zero in the US, too. They lowered speed limits in a couple neighborhoods from 25mph to 20, and all the LED road signs show annual aggregated deaths from car crashes until the number is greater than zero, then someone wrings their hands and says "Welp, we did what we could, guess people just like dying" and then goes on vacation. (Source: me, I made up the spokesperson who gets scapegoated, but all the other stuff is observationally evident where I live)

[-] dorumon@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Too bad I live in hell country. Where there are no sidewalks or public transportation just roads and we have facist dipshits bought out by big car companies. I would love to take a train or a bus but that stuff doesn't exist here and never will until we re-educate and remake America from the ground up. America is just too far gone at this rate to even want these public transportation services at all or even bike-lanes. Cities would rather destroy themselves for big top stores anyway and highways thinking they are a good thing only to realize that will ensure they will cease to be alongside their local businesses. I'm sorry but I'm forced to walk on the road and nearly get run over legally speaking with zero repurcussions from the driver side because I shouldn't of been walking on the road anyway.

[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I've never been in the USA. Is it really that bad? I've heard that the USA have basically eradicated their own culture, because they destroyed their city centres in favour of suburbs, which need to be subsidised constantly. And therefore, cities sprawl. Is that true?

[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In my city, there are buses, but because there's sprawl to the edges of the huge county, and all the people in the suburbs drive and don't want buses, and the county (not the city) is in charge of transportation, it's starved to the point of near impossible inconvenience.

There are plenty of people living inside the city now, we've got a nice downtown, with people living there, but at this point it's all set up to favor automobiles. Like I intentionally live in a short walk distance to bus stops that could get me anywhere the buses go, but I use the electric bike and can get anywhere faster than the bus. Transfers are so bad because the buses are so infrequent.

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[-] dorumon@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes it is really this bad and in a lot of cities there is even anti homeless architecture being built. Entire cities in the United States basically got turned into suburbs and roads overnight. For many Americans they cannot even walk outside their neighborhood without having the police get called on them in their own suburban sprawl or getting a gun legally pulled on them and potentially legally killed with no recourse on the shooter. This country is hell on Earth minus our theme parks and local parks and some of the cities that still exist normally today.

[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What is "anti-homeless architecture"? Genuine question.

Edit: Also, thanks for the detailed answer.

[-] tektite@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago

It's called hostile architecture and it's things like arm rests in the middle of a bench so you can't lie down on it, or sloped windowsills so you can't sit there.

I once saw a bench with a statue of a person sleeping on it. Wtf?

"To prevent the unsightly possibility of someone sleeping on this bench, we should put a statue of someone sleeping on this bench! Leave the useless bench there but also fuck you!"

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[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

Made by someone who's able to THINK like a Tesla owner.

Brake pedal? Unthinkable

[-] Demdaru@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago
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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Except the autopilot will modify its data that it was turned off right at the moment it hits people...

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Nah, it just disengages a fraction of a second before impact so they can claim "it wasn't engaged at the moment of impact, so not our responsibility."

There were rumours about this for ages, but I honestly didn't fully buy it until I saw it in Mark Rober's vison vs lidar video and various other follow-ups to it.

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[-] PennyRoyal@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago

Wow. That’s a staggeringly apt update

[-] guywithoutaname@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago

I'd imagine you are always responsible for what you do when you're driving, even if a system like autopilot is helping you drive.

[-] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago

Especially cause autopilot disengages right before the accident so it's technically always your fault.

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[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 17 points 1 week ago

In my country it's always your fault. And I'm very glad.

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Jump out of the car.

"I'm not driving, I'm travelling" 🤓

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[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago
[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

Cant Kobayashi maru the trolley problem. There is no choice but the choices presented.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Kobayashi Maru was supposed to be unwinnable too!

[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I like that everyone on this site watches Star Trek.

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[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Oh. A fine. How will Musk survive that financially?

[-] Etienne_Dahu@jlai.lu 4 points 1 week ago

He won't be fine...

[-] plantmoretrees@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

Elon isn’t going to last much longer no matter what

[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

It's a feature, not a bug.

-Musk, probably.

[-] pomfegranate@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Trick question. I'm asleep at the wheel

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