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"I will be instituting a MOST FAVORED NATION’S POLICY whereby the United States will pay the same price as the Nation that pays the lowest price anywhere in the World."

"Prescription Drug and Pharmaceutical prices will be REDUCED, almost immediately, by 30% to 80%."

"They will rise throughout the World in order to equalize and, for the first time in many years, bring FAIRNESS TO AMERICA!"

https://archive.is/3u94Z (reuters)

https://www.axios.com/2025/05/11/trump-drug-prices-executive-order-pharmaceuticals

https://archive.is/3zn6T (truthsocial)

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[-] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 91 points 3 days ago

If he does this and it sticks in court it is gonna be SO awkward for Gavin to pretend the president has no power over any progressive issues in 2029, but I am sure the DNC will find a way!

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 69 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Dems finally support prosecuting an ex-president, but only so they don't have to do anything in office. "See, Trump was doing it all illegally! Now that law and order have been restored, the president will revert to not being able to effect drug prices."

[-] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 38 points 3 days ago

The unelected god-kings of the Supreme Court have already placed Trump, Biden, Obama and W above all man-made law.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 29 points 3 days ago

They'll pack the Court just so they can nominate Justices to restrain their power and not have to do anything else.

[-] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 27 points 3 days ago

I feel like these DNC losers are defined by laziness and the conservative mindset that maybe every variable I am currently unaware of the state of is going my way anyway if nothing else, they're not packing a court even if to save themselves from execution. If you rightfully had Biden in a noose for his crimes against humanity at the Hague, his last words would be "this isn't gonna happen, jack!"

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 days ago

I think they're defined by procedure and using it as a shield to avoid doing work.

But if they have to, they'll use procedure to do a small amount of work if it means avoiding more work later.

Like when they impeached Trump. A small amount of procedural work to shut up their base so they didn't have to do anything else.

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

Biden has a dead-man trigger set up so when he's executed, it sends a strongly worded letter to the judge.

[-] Des@hexbear.net 84 points 3 days ago

wouldn't it be weird if as Trump's mind turns to jelly he becomes a socdem left populist. like how certain brain damage often makes people go right he gets the opposite

or he sees how popular Sheinbaum is and starts trying to copy some of that

obviously it would be filtered through his circle of ghouls

[-] Meltyheartlove@hexbear.net 60 points 3 days ago

timmy-pray Please turn jdpondon into a real communist

[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 38 points 3 days ago

St. Peter is gonna be scratching his head at this one.

[-] dead@hexbear.net 54 points 3 days ago

Trump presented MFN drug policy in his first term in 2020 as an alternative to "Medicare for All". It was meant to kill the enthusiasm for Free Healthcare amongst right wingers. It's in the same vein as "no tax on tips" rather than raising the minimum wage. It's meant to be an alternative ineffective solution, which makes it look like he's doing something good when he really isn't.

He says the same thing with tariffs. He says that tariffs are meant to return manufacturing to the US, but what is actually happening is that working class people are paying more sales taxes.

[-] Des@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago

oh i know it's all BS.

I do have a theory that a portion of his fair weather base (registered indepedent with confused politics, not MAGA fankids) remember his vaguely populist rhetoric from his first run and just think he's never actually changed.

like he's just some anti-immigrant bernie type but has just surrounded himself with bad people. I've talked to a few people that are legit that confused and out of touch

[-] WoodScientist@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

oh i know it's all BS.

It may not actually be. Sure, the corporations helped put Trump in power. They made the same gamble countless nations' corporate sectors did when supporting fascist leaders - "yes he's extreme, but we can control him." How well did that work out for the Nazi German corporate sector? How well did that work for Russia's oligarchs under Putin? Sure, some lucky ones got really rich by maintaining favor with the regime. But the moment your businesses interests go against the interests of the leader? You get trampled under the same boot as everyone else.

The pharma companies helped put Trump in power, but they're also incredibly unpopular. If there's some way Trump can crush them, then that would greatly increase his own popularity. It may well be worth it for MAGA to stomp the pharma companies, even if it means losing their donations. It would hardly be the first time a fascist leader purged many of the people who put him in power.

[-] WoodScientist@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

I mean...people do tend to regress as Alzheimer's sets in, no? Not regress as in regressive/progressive, but regress in terms of their own life experience and beliefs. You lose the newest memories first. And Trump was a Democrat for many years. He's always been racist and pro-tariff, but it's not impossible he had more progressive beliefs on many issues earlier in life. Whether he was only a Democrat because he lived in NYC, I can't say. But him becoming more liberal as his brain turns to mush really wouldn't be completely impossible. It really just depends on what his beliefs were earlier in life.

[-] determinism2@hexbear.net 53 points 3 days ago
[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

It would be so funny if fucking with the FBI doesn't get him but the first time he would tangibly make something better (I'll believe it when I see it) he gets insta-dunked by the deep state.

If real life had a narrative, then this is the moment where the A plot (presidential bullshit) meets up with the B plot ( luigi-dance ) and the CEO of Blue Cross Blue Shield starts monologing and reveals how there's a man behind the curtain named John Privateinsurance who comes from beyond the stars to feed off of illness.

[-] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 29 points 3 days ago

You can tell that this is either fake or misleading because he announced it ahead of time.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago

Price controls price controls price controls lets-fucking-go

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 40 points 3 days ago

There are so many individual coups de grace that Trump could use against the Democrats, I wouldn't be surprised if he crashes his way into one of them.

As always it's more likely that nothing will actually happen here, but it's certainly possible he'll just do some shit like this to make his life incredibly easier

[-] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago

Yeah this is probably some shit that was already law but they’re actually gonna start doing it.

[-] WoodScientist@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

He's basically claimed unlimited authority to issue whatever tariffs he wants at will, including tariffs against individual companies. If the courts uphold his claim of expansive tariff powers, he can do this with tariffs alone.

The drug companies are all big multinationals. For those located outside the US, regular import tariffs work. Just threaten to tariff the hell out of any foreign drug manufacturer that doesn't agree to the administration's price controls. Add a million percent tariff if need be.

For domestic companies, it's a little more difficult. But still, these are domestic companies with international operations. And exit tariffs are a thing. Congress can tax exports if it wants. And Trump could claim the same power. Any US-based drug company that didn't play ball with prices would face a million percent export tariff.

And this is just tariffs. Patent law could also be wielded to force companies to abide by price caps. And the generic licensing market could be used similarly. And there are so many national security laws that can be adopted. If certain emergencies are declared, the president can flat-out order companies to produce certain goods.

Oh, Ozempic is too expensive? Trump just declared obesity a threat to national defense, and he's ordered a hundred companies to produce Ozempic and similar drugs, at quantities 10x what would be needed to dose the entire population. The country is soon swimming in weight loss drugs and the price crashes through the floor. Your insurance company starts paying YOU to take them.

[-] Meltyheartlove@hexbear.net 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Lowest price should be free and covered by bourgeois.

[-] glups@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Bourgeois? Why not the ultra-wealthy?

[-] miz@hexbear.net 34 points 3 days ago
[-] dead@hexbear.net 39 points 3 days ago

I'm not sure what the catch is here. I'm guessing it has to do with drug patents being owned by different companies in different countries.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 34 points 3 days ago

I'm sure there will be cutouts for companies that do favors or whatever. Just like everything else he's doing.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

How would this actually be enforced? Unlike other countries with socialized healthcare, the US doesn't negotiate prices with these companies directly. Perhaps there's some mechanism I don't know of, but I doubt it, we're kind of all about empowering capitalists to fuck people over.

The bigger catch is that this would almost certainly go to the supreme court and get overturned.

[-] Biddles@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago
[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You're right, but if Trump does medicare for all and orders prices be fixed, all through one executive order, I think the bourgeois would actually kill him.

E: Also he just won't do this lol, it's Trump after all.

[-] regul@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

Monkey's paw it's for drug wholesalers on import prices but just so their profit margins increase one billion percent when prices to end users stay the same.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

I'm kinda trying to unpack it too.

I don't really understand enough about healthcare in different countries (I'm in Australia).

Meds in the US are stupid expensive because of freedom or something. In Australia all meds are purchased by a central organisation so they have bargaining power.

IDK all the factors involved in negotiating a price, but presumably Australia has some cards to play like buying adjacent meds from non-US vendors.

What I mean is, US vendors would already be extracting as much from Australia as they reasonably can, and an EO from POTUS doesn't really change the factors that are balancing the market.

Another issue is ethics. HIV antiretrovirals are very expensive in Australia, suppose $1,000 USD per month. That's fine, the government pays for that. The countries that have crazy high rates of HIV generally have a much lower GDP per capita, it's just unethical to withhold medication from them when the cost to manufacture a month's supply is $1.

Finally I suspect it's simply the usual supply / demand type factors. A company can make more profit by selling 10 million doses at $1 than they can selling 0 doses at $100.

As usual, it's a poorly considered blunt instrument expected to address a complex and nuanced issue. It makes sense to Trump because it's grandiose and logical within the confines of his adversarial transactional paradigm.

In practice though, I suspect that American pharmaceutical producers aren't happy about this, and if it does have any effect on prices for impoverished countries it will put a lot of pressure on other countries to respect the intellectual property rights on those meds.

[-] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago

He is going to make luigi a federal judge.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

He's already Executor, so he'll only need Jury left.

[-] darkcalling@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago

Yeah bullshit. At most I imagine he does something that applies only to US medicare. That is the US government in prices it pays has to get the lowest cost. People with insurance, e.g. those who aren't over 65? They still get fucked. In fact those with medicare might get fucked too if the drug companies simply decline to sell in the US and you end up with a medicare system that doesn't have a lot of vital drugs that in a few years Republicans can declare as completely failed and killing people and push for privatizing.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago

It'll never actually happen. But if it does - Trump gets a third term if there's a legit election. The only hurdle then is solved by the GOP justices removing his liddle constitutional problem.

[-] Carl@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago
[-] Finger@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago

no more half measures walter

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

if he manages to fleece eu out of pocket money, that would be something to behold

[-] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago

he earned the jet

[-] Civility@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago
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