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Image is of the damage caused by an Iranian Kheibar Shekan ballistic missile in Israel, causing dozens of injuries.


Now in our second week of the conflict, we have seen continuing damage to both Israel and Iran, as well as direct US intervention which nonetheless seems to have caused limited damage to Fordow and little damage to Iran's nuclear program. Regime change seems more elusive than ever, as even Iranians previously critical of the government now rally around it as they are attacked by two rabid imperialists at once. And Iran's government is tentatively considering a withdrawal, or at minimum a reconsideration, of their membership to the IAEA and the NPT. And, of course, the Strait of Hormuz is still a tool in their arsenal.

A day or so on from the strike on Fordow, we have so far seen basically no change in strategy from the Iranian military as they continue to strike Israel with small barrages of missiles. Military analysts argue furiously - is this a deliberate strategy of steady attrition on Israel, or indicative of immense material constraints on Iran? Are the hits by Israel on real targets, or are they decoys? Does Iran wish to develop a nuke, or are they still hesitating? Will Iran and Yemen strike at US warships and bases in response to the attack, or will they merely continue striking only Israel?

And perhaps most importantly - will this conflict end diplomatically due to a lack of appetite for an extended war (to wit: not a peace but a 20 year armistice) or with Israel forced into major concessions including an end to their genocide? Or even with a total military/societal collapse of either side?


Last week's thread is here. The Imperialism Reading Group is here.

Please check out the RedAtlas!

The bulletins site is here. Currently not used.
The RSS feed is here. Also currently not used.

Israel-Palestine Conflict

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] duderium@hexbear.net 60 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

(Could be a false alarm but) Telegram channels I’m following announced five minutes ago that Tehran, Shiraz, and Hamadan just activated their air defenses. The entity can’t help bombing brown folks, even when it would clearly help them a great deal to take a break for at least a day or two.

The game theory academic who became famous on youtube a day or two ago is predicting that the USA is going to do a (suicidal) ground invasion of Iran. I can also hear Justin Podur saying that all this shit with Trump getting angry at Netanyahu is just for show.

[-] Rey_McSriff@hexbear.net 48 points 13 hours ago

all this shit with Trump getting angry at Netanyahu is just for show

It is. Remember all those headlines during the Biden regime that went something like "Behind Closed Doors, Biden Fumes at Netanyahu"? It's the exact same shit, it's all theatrics to cover up the fact that the US always has and always will call the shots with regards to Israel

[-] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 29 points 13 hours ago

"Biden said [comes closer to you and speaks very quietly] ~fuck~ Netanyahu"

[-] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 24 points 12 hours ago
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[-] supafuzz@hexbear.net 40 points 14 hours ago

time to close the strait guys ffs

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 43 points 13 hours ago

Maybe they’re hesitating because this is seemingly one of the last cards they have to play…?

The game theory guy said that Iran also wants the USA to do a ground invasion, since it would be a catastrophe for the USA. And I’m like…it would be a catastrophe for Iran too…

I’m wishing at the moment that their missiles would blow some holes in the walls around Gaza so my friends could get something to eat.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 36 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

the game theory guy is a crank who believe JDPON Don is an accelerationist trying to destroy the American empire. "game theory" is idealist nonsense

[-] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 33 points 13 hours ago

"game theory" is idealist nonsense

Yeah, nah. This is a case of misunderstanding both idealism and game theory.
Also, on that note, I recall that somebody erroneously claimed that game theory requires the assumption that the sides act 'rationally'. I urge fellow hexbears to actually investigate game theory instead of uncritically believing such assumptions.

On the other hand, game theory is a branch of math, not any sort of social science. Although it does find applications in the latter, it doesn't actually grant one expertise on topics like what different polities are (likely) going to do - at least, not if one doesn't have access to relevant intelligence on both sides.

[-] Sebrof@hexbear.net 24 points 12 hours ago

Yeah I wasn't put off by the guy doing "game theory", it's another tool or approach. But the problem is his game theory analysis is not based off historical materialism. His idealism shows through and polluted any analysis and made it cheap. Thinking that Israel is independent of the US and that it will be the US's military competitor in the region shows that no amount of game theory will correct for idealistic world views.

Your comment reminds me of my own rant I have had in the past. It's like when Marxists economists disparage math because neoclassicalists use it. Math isn't the problem, its the base assumptions that bourgeoisie economists have. I'm not even saying that a Marxist analysis requires the same math that neoclassical economists use, but there's a tendnecy, hopefully minor, to throw the baby out with the bathwater because bourgeoisie academics use math. I havent seen that here in Hexbear, but I have come across it in person.

Understanding the material world and our social relations in a scientific manner will require some math, and some analytical tools. It wont be reduced to math, but math is an indispensable tool in understanding material reality. There is a group of Marxist economists, or at least followers that I have spoken to, that are almost like the econ version of Ultras in that they think any math is some bourgeois perversion and wish to stay in the realm of purely qualitative descriptions. This has gotten a little off topic as this complaint is focused in the "economy" side of political economy analysis

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[-] duderium@hexbear.net 29 points 13 hours ago

His brainworms were definitely on display when he argued that israel and the USA have separate interests.

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[-] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 17 points 12 hours ago

Israel’s figured out one neat trick to keep terrorizing Iran: keep your traitors activated and droning during the “ceasefire”

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[-] Fishroot@hexbear.net 93 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Life lesson: never try to satisfy a customer who wants to take over your shop

[-] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 58 points 14 hours ago

Dude said “the antisemites have discovered the translate button, to clarify this is a joke” then locked his account. Hilarious

[-] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 39 points 13 hours ago

it's antisemitic to read hebrew

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[-] Blockocheese@hexbear.net 53 points 14 hours ago

We're back to business as usual in the Israeli pokemon go groups

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 43 points 14 hours ago

tie me to a missile and fire me at the zionist pokemon go raid, i am ready

[-] Blockocheese@hexbear.net 60 points 14 hours ago

Pokemon go to the bomb shelter

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 26 points 12 hours ago

The Great Khan is always surrounded by eunuch scribes who diligently record every utterance for they all contain great wisdom which must be faithfully preserved as a guide for future great khans of the Western Horde.

[-] MizuTama@hexbear.net 32 points 13 hours ago

Shitposting Aquinas dictates to scribes

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 22 points 12 hours ago

Put in there I'm not mad

[clack clack clack]

I'm not mad okay, I'm never mad, matter of fact they're the ones who are mad.

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[-] dougfir@hexbear.net 46 points 14 hours ago

The Parliamentarian has decreed that Mike Lee's provision to sell off millions of acres of federal land out west should be struck from the Big Beautiful Bill. Lee wants to bring it back, but this time only selling BLM land, not Forest Service land, and only within 5 miles of cities, but i guess we'll see.

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[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 81 points 15 hours ago

Moral panic among credit card companies hits Fansly. All substances, furry porn, hypnosis and mind control kink, amateur wrestling, etc. banned.

[-] supafuzz@hexbear.net 66 points 15 hours ago

their oppressive morality police

our family-minded payment processors

[-] Lisitsyn@hexbear.net 61 points 15 hours ago

trump federally ordered sissy hypno BANNED shatter negative

[-] Huitzilopochtli@hexbear.net 34 points 13 hours ago

I love how regular porn has become so normalized that now credit card companies have to list of specific fetishes that they object to instead. Back in the day it was just no payment processing for any and all porn, but I guess it's too mainstream and lucrative now.

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