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[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 month ago

I mean we have it pretty good compared to most of history

[-] cRazi_man@europe.pub 19 points 1 month ago

We probably have it pretty great compared to most of the rest of the world currently.

[-] dbtng@eviltoast.org 15 points 1 month ago

Absolutely. Really, if you're reading this, you are probably pretty high up on the scale.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah I’ve said this a few times, but honestly anybody who can interact with Lemmy is in the upper tiers of the scale compared with the vast majority of humans who have ever lived.

Obviously that does not mean that individuals cannot have terrible luck and circumstances.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

I have a personal welding machine, Raspberries growing in my backyard, and I am in relatively good therms with my parents. I buy a new device almost every pay.

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[-] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I think most reasonable people would agree that there are many objectively good things about the modern world, but progress isn't a strict good/bad binary. Often, progress results in both good and bad circumstances.

For instance, I think most reasonable people would agree that modern medicine is a very good thing. Vaccines and antibiotics have saved countless lives. Also, more advanced agricultural technology has allowed us to grow more food and feed more people. However, progress has also resulted in significant ecological damage, depletion of natural, nonrenewable resources and a significant loss of biodiversity. I think most reasonable people would agree that these are very bad things.

I don't think the point is to ignore the very real, important positives about the modern world, but to point out that there are still things that need to improve, and unintended negative effects of progress that need to be dealt with.

I appreciate that for you the modern world is overall good, but that's not necessarily everyone's experience. Some people do feel purposeless, depressed and worn down, despite being relatively wealthy and comfortable, especially compared to humans of past eras.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

Problem is, instead of someone actively leading for something better for all, we are stomped under a boot, gaslighted, then told the problem is resources/poor people

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[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

If yOu aRe nOt uNdEr cApItAlIsM It's yOuR OwN FaUlT

[-] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

it’s hard for people so used to the comforts of capitalism to realise this is actually luxury

being inside, seated comfortably, doing non-manual work, educated, can read, listening to music, this is a job better than 99% of people who have ever lived have had

Slaves who existed before capitalism was even imagined would dream of this WaSTeD LiFe 🤪

[-] Deme@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I am not a slave or a starving medieval peasant, therefore I should be happy to waste my life in an office generating shareholder value. Got it.

[-] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago

Go and work for a company that gives more about other stakeholders, you see that often with smaller companies.

[-] Deme@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

Oh I'm actually quite happy with my own job in the public sector. It's varied and at times challenging work that benefits society as a whole. The pay isn't all that much, but we're talking about fulfillment here not salaries. Unfortunately for my peace of mind, I posess empathy and the knowledge that most aren't as lucky. Companies either grow or die, so massive faceless corporations provide a large and growing share of all employment. And it doesn't even need to be a big corp for the job to be a bs job.

[-] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 points 1 month ago

If you work in the public sector you often don't have shareholders breathing down your neck for more profit (but it can happen). And yes smaller companies can have bullshit bosses as well, especially when they are the type that either already had decently sized companies or just wants to be the next millionaire.

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[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 7 points 1 month ago

it’s hard for people so used to the comforts of capitalism to realise this is actually luxury

being inside, seated comfortably, doing non-manual work, educated, can read, listening to music, this is a job better than 99% of people who have ever lived have had

Hell, if you're in this situation you have immediate and convenient access to potable water in your living space. This is a level of privilege beyond almost every other human that has lived in all of history.

[-] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 month ago

Man I already hate it when I can't drink water out of the tap when I am travelling abroad.

[-] dbtng@eviltoast.org 3 points 1 month ago

Ya, totally. You make an obvious point.
The only problem with that is that almost all of the humans that have ever existed ... exist right now. Until we mastered this planet, there were very very few of us. We are now the most numerous mammal on the planet, and that's by a far degree. There's more of us than there are rats.

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[-] dbtng@eviltoast.org 6 points 1 month ago

Friend, I take it you're joking ... but I've done warehouse, construction, assembly line, and other hard labor. The only other country I've been to is Mexico, which is a nice place to leave. Believe me, it is entirely possible for a privileged American to know how well they have it.

[-] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago

I wish some people around here had half the experience you do

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[-] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

hell yeah brother, 30 hours a week, 4 weeks paid vacation, guaranteed and paid for further education courses, protection from being fired while pregnant/ at home with newborn, minimum wage, privacy laws and employee protection laws, unionization, multiple paid federal holidays. I fuckin love Europe.

[-] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 month ago

Once everything has been optimized and runs smoothly, there are no surprises anymore, nothing interesting, you just do a routine that you've specialized in and have gotten bored at 10 years ago. Our quality of life is unparalleled. Our quality of work less so. It's safe and all, but so so boring

[-] edupo@europe.pub 3 points 1 month ago
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[-] mrmanager@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago

I think we are wasting our lives to a certain degree. As kids, we expected more from life than sitting in front of a computer to feed the family. And sitting at a computer is seen as one of the "good" jobs.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

Imagine this! Before you was adventure, exploration, and danger. Then there was slavery, then there was our period (where there are still millions of actual slaves btw).

Then after you, if anyone survives, and we don't all get put into an I have no mouth and I must scream scenario by our overlords, the youth after us will never know work. They will be far more functional than us, and will simply not understand working o survive. They will look down on us, senile outcasts, who get to watch "heaven" from afar.

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